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PicturesOfABetterTomorrow · 41-45, M
It is a genocide. And not the first time the US has happily collaborated with a genocide either.
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sree251 · 41-45, M
@PicturesOfABetterTomorrow The USA stands for freedom, democracy, and human rights. It doesn't make sense that we have been bombing and maiming millions in foreign wars.
PicturesOfABetterTomorrow · 41-45, M
@sree251 Sorry but if you believe that I have bad news about Santa Claus too.
It makes perfect sense. The US has never given a shit about any of that.
During the slaughter in Indonesia in the 60s the US embassy was giving their military kill lists and told them to come back for more once they had killed everyone on the last list.
It makes perfect sense. The US has never given a shit about any of that.
During the slaughter in Indonesia in the 60s the US embassy was giving their military kill lists and told them to come back for more once they had killed everyone on the last list.
sree251 · 41-45, M
@PicturesOfABetterTomorrow
You said: "During the slaughter in Indonesia in the 60s the US embassy was giving their military kill lists and told them to come back for more once they had killed everyone on the last list."
I know what you are saying. Since the Gaza situation, I have been watching documentaries on the US involvement in destabilizing countries abroad. As an American, I am beyond shocked.
You said: "During the slaughter in Indonesia in the 60s the US embassy was giving their military kill lists and told them to come back for more once they had killed everyone on the last list."
I know what you are saying. Since the Gaza situation, I have been watching documentaries on the US involvement in destabilizing countries abroad. As an American, I am beyond shocked.
LeopoldBloom · M
@PicturesOfABetterTomorrow It's not a genocide unless you change the definition.
PicturesOfABetterTomorrow · 41-45, M
@LeopoldBloom Actually it is. For it not to be a genocide you have to deny objective reality and the definition which is something you have been doing about about 2 months now.
LeopoldBloom · M
@PicturesOfABetterTomorrow Did you bother to read the official definition I posted? Are the Israelis kidnapping Palestinian kids and forcibly converting them to Judaism? Are they "preventing births" when the population of Gaza has doubled since 1967?
https://similarworlds.com/culture-race/genocide/4895439-Definition-of-Genocide-The-term-genocide-was-coined-by
You can't just make up your own definitions because you like the emotional effect a word has.
https://similarworlds.com/culture-race/genocide/4895439-Definition-of-Genocide-The-term-genocide-was-coined-by
You can't just make up your own definitions because you like the emotional effect a word has.
PicturesOfABetterTomorrow · 41-45, M
@LeopoldBloom I have, and I also value the professional opinions of genocide scholars too.
Unlike you who seem to be working in the PR department for the IDF.
The Israelis routinely detain kids without charge or trial and sentence them to 20 years for throwing a rock.
The only difference is when you have the privilege of a state you can create a legal fiction to justify it.
And that is in practice the only difference. Kidnapping becomes "detention" or "arrest" when you have a state and can make laws to justify your actions.
But in terms of the actions it is the same thing.
So spare me your bullshit distractions.
Unlike you who seem to be working in the PR department for the IDF.
The Israelis routinely detain kids without charge or trial and sentence them to 20 years for throwing a rock.
The only difference is when you have the privilege of a state you can create a legal fiction to justify it.
And that is in practice the only difference. Kidnapping becomes "detention" or "arrest" when you have a state and can make laws to justify your actions.
But in terms of the actions it is the same thing.
So spare me your bullshit distractions.
LeopoldBloom · M
@PicturesOfABetterTomorrow If a "professional genocide scholar" changes the definition of genocide, they're not much of a scholar.
PicturesOfABetterTomorrow · 41-45, M
@LeopoldBloom Again, the only one making up definitions is you.
Quit projecting.
Genocide has a definition and it is not determined by your feelings.
Quit projecting.
Genocide has a definition and it is not determined by your feelings.
PicturesOfABetterTomorrow · 41-45, M
@LeopoldBloom And apparently you think you are an expert and a scholar now because you say so.
LeopoldBloom · M
@PicturesOfABetterTomorrow It's not determined by your feelings, either.
Israel is the only country whose existence is questioned. Stop hiding your antisemitism amid "concern" for the Palestinians.
Israel is the only country whose existence is questioned. Stop hiding your antisemitism amid "concern" for the Palestinians.
LeopoldBloom · M
@PicturesOfABetterTomorrow Right, all I'm doing is using the definition the man who came up with the word used.
PicturesOfABetterTomorrow · 41-45, M
@LeopoldBloom Bullshit on all counts. All you are doing is gaslighting, lying and pretending Zionism and Judaism are the same thing. Oh and justifying genocide.
A subject you just declared yourself an expert on because feelings.
A subject you just declared yourself an expert on because feelings.
PicturesOfABetterTomorrow · 41-45, M
@LeopoldBloom It is also curious you claim you are using a valid definition of the word genocide but you have yet to actually provide a definition at all.
independentone · M
@LeopoldBloom Since Israel has yet to kill any of the Hamas leaders, and only seem to be targeting women, children and unarmed men, I think genocide is the appropriate term.
PicturesOfABetterTomorrow · 41-45, M
@PicturesOfABetterTomorrow When 90% of the dead are civilians it is on purpose.
Spoiledbrat · F
@PicturesOfABetterTomorrow Not self defense.
PicturesOfABetterTomorrow · 41-45, M
@Spoiledbrat Not even close. Unless your approach to "self defense" is just kill everyone and be the last one standing.
Spoiledbrat · F
@PicturesOfABetterTomorrow If they wanted to kill everyone they could have done it already.
PicturesOfABetterTomorrow · 41-45, M
@Spoiledbrat Umm no. That is bullshit. That is what is happening.
Are you seriously goofy enough to believe any nation could wipe out 2 million people in 2 months? That is not a thing.
Are you seriously goofy enough to believe any nation could wipe out 2 million people in 2 months? That is not a thing.
LeopoldBloom · M
@PicturesOfABetterTomorrow Israel could have wiped out 2 million Gazans in 2 days. Instead, the population more than doubled since Israel took over in 2006. Some "genocide."
sree251 · 41-45, M
@LeopoldBloom You said: "Israel could have wiped out 2 million Gazans in 2 days."
What is Israel? What is it compared to the USA? Do you think Americans could thrash the planet at will because we are so high and mighty? I don't think so. You can only push it so far before you do yourself in.
What is Israel? What is it compared to the USA? Do you think Americans could thrash the planet at will because we are so high and mighty? I don't think so. You can only push it so far before you do yourself in.
LeopoldBloom · M
@sree251 Or, they had no interest in doing that. So the accusations of "genocide" are just misusing the word for its emotional effect, the way anti-abortion people say abortion is "murdering babies" even though it's not "murder" and ZEFs aren't "babies."
sree251 · 41-45, M
@LeopoldBloom I don't know what their interest is but what they have done and have been doing have consequences.
LeopoldBloom · M
@sree251 Of course their actions have consequences. That applies to both sides. Only toddlers think their actions shouldn't have consequences.
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