Forget history and political parties who would be the best President for US 2025-2029?

@HoraceGreenley world peace...except for that war between Armenia and Azerbaijan you mean?

@basilfawlty89 That just happened under Biden. Nobody fears Biden, who is more concerned about taking guns away from Americans and giving guns to terrorists that kill Americans than he is about reducing global conflict.

@IronHamster er...no. It was in 2020.

@HoraceGreenley You are not looking at the big picture. Sure, we lost fewer Americans to armed conflicts, but we lost far more to a botched pandemic response.

All through Trump's term, our Covid per capita death rate was DOUBLE that of countries like Canada & Germany, resulting in about 550,000 Covid deaths under Trump.

If Trump had handled Covid as well as, say, Justin Trudeau, we'd have had 275,000 FEWER DEATHS! Put another way, Trump's mis-management of Covid cost more deaths than THREE Viet Nam wars!! Three Viet Nams in a SINGLE YEAR, not spread out over ten years like the actual war!!!

Sure, Covid came from outside. And different leaders in different countries managed it differently. Trump's piss-poor Covid management is made clear by the relative per capita death rates.

[quote]"I look at it this way," Birx told CNN's Chief Medical Correspondent Sanjay Gupta. "The first time, we have an excuse. There were about 100,000 deaths that came from that original surge. All of the rest of them, in my mind, could have been mitigated or decreased substantially."[/quote]



[sep][sep][sep][center] UPDATE for @jackjjackson [/center][sep][sep][sep]

2021 was a pandemic of the unvaccinated.

In 2021, the 75% of Americans fully vaccinated produced under 20% of the Covid deaths, while the 25% unvaccinated Americans produced over 80% of the Covid deaths.

In 2021, the 75% of Americans fully vaccinated produced under 31% of Covid cases; while the 25% unvaccinated Americans produced nearly 70% of Covid cases.

This means the US unvaccinated had a 5X higher chance of contracting Covid compared to the vaccinated per capita, and that overall the unvaccinated had about a 15X higher probability of Covid death per capita.

Sources and further details at
https://similarworlds.com/disease-illness/vaccines/4268857-Covid-Vaccine-effectiveness-data-from-the-US-2021

The major damage was post 2020? @ElwoodBlues

@ElwoodBlues
OK. Here we go again. Replay Covid.
Remember that the states had a lot to do with the response.

Getting a vaccine in that time frame was a miracle

Sure was @HoraceGreenley

@HoraceGreenley [quote]
Getting a vaccine in that time frame was a miracle
[/quote] Note that the period is Apr-Dec 2021; why? In the first quarter of 2021 we were busily vaccinating the 65+ cohort; the most vulnerable. There was an excess of unvaccinated deaths in that period and not enough vaccinated people to make a fair comparison. Including that timeperiod would skew the data to make vaccines look even better than they are.

[b] https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/71/wr/mm7104e2.htm[/b]
is a CDC analysis of 25 geographically dispersed US jurisdictions. It presents statistics on Covid incidence and death rates broken up by "wave" (dates) and age, separately for vaccinated and unvaccinated. Most of the key data is in TABLE 1.

[b]https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/71/wr/mm7104e2.htm[/b]

@HoraceGreenley Right. Trump knew how business works and how to expedite processes. Democrats laughed when he said we woukd have a vaccine by the end of the year and we got not one, but three. Kind of funny, but Democrats HATED the Trump vaccines until they decided to force others to take it.

@IronHamster
Fauci said a vaccine would take 5 years to develop. Ordinarily he'd be right. That's what the normal process would take.

@basilfawlty89 Considering all the stuff that happened in Ukraine and the Middle East when Obama was in office and now Biden, yes...the world was much more peaceful.

@basilfawlty89 that conflict didn't even make the news broadcasts.

@HoraceGreenley typical American response. Just because you lot don't know geography doesn't mean huge conflicts didn't happen.

I think HG is accurately putting things into perspective for you Basil. @basilfawlty89

@HoraceGreenley claims
[quote]that conflict didn't even make the news broadcasts.[/quote]
!!! DEAD WRONG !!!
Even Faux News reported that war on the nightly news

[b]https://www.foxnews.com/world/death-toll-soars-armenia-azerbaijan-conflict-escalates[/b]

[b]https://www.foxnews.com/world/azerbaijan-armenia-nagorno-karabakh-region-conflict-fighting-clashes-attack-army-helicopter[/b]

@jackjjackson see Elwood's reply. As usual Horace is about the brightness of a black hole.

It’s not like HG has a difficult time outsmarting the two of you. @ElwoodBlues @basilfawlty89

@jackjjackson ah, the old right wing tactic. When you can't point out your opponent is wrong or disprove their argument, just call them a childish name.

HG would have trouble outsmarting a kindergartener. He literally claimed the Armenian Azerbaijan War didn't occur under Trump and if it did it wasn't covered.

Even you chucklefucks favourite channel Faux News covered it.

@basilfawlty89 If zombies could only eat liberal brains, they'd starve.

I don’t watch CNN, MSNBC or Fox. I watch world news with David Muir on ABC and that’s it. The only name calling I’m seeing is emanating from you. @basilfawlty89

And even the lower groups would shoot Biden if given the chance. @IronHamster

@HoraceGreenley Fauci didn't have his first mass murder with his Covid creation. Fauci diverted funds from HIV therapeutics to an HIV vaccine, which never happened. Therapeutics were the answer.

Covid already had therapeutics, but liberals had to discredit them so they could get emergency authorization for expensive dangerous drugs like Remdeservir. They killed millions unnecessarily. Even the vaccines, it turns out, were a huge money making scheme. They turned out to do more harm than good.

@jackjjackson They get a lot of leftist support. Muslims don't vote Democrat because they like Democrats. Muslims vote Democrat because they know they are without principles and easily manipulated. Biden fucking funded Hamas by giving Iran six billion dollars. Obama funded ISIS through Iran, too.

@IronHamster lolno, Bargain Bin Gandalf, this is a Trump rally

Btw, why are you right wingers still on this idea that if you think Trump is an idiot, you automatically support Biden? Biden is an idiot too. They're both geriatric gits who should retire.

As to Muslim extremists supporting Biden, didn't he just refuse to call a ceasefire from Israel?

You're not very bright are you, Professor Doubledork?

@ElwoodBlues not exactly a big deal...especially compared to Ukraine and Middle East.

Thanks Obama and Biden