Man Claiming Womanhood Slammed After Breaking Women’s Powerlifting Record
"A male powerlifter who has often competed against women and even mocked them for being weak reportedly set a women’s national powerlifting record and an unofficial women’s world record at a championship in Brandon, Manitoba, on Sunday.
Anne Andres, 40, had a total powerlifting score (based on the total of the heaviest weight lifted for the bench press, and deadlift and squat) of 597.5kg, (roughly 1,317 pounds) more than 200 kg than the top-ranked woman, SuJan Gil, who had a score of 387.5kg (854 pounds), at the Canadian Powerlifting Union’s 2023 Western Canadian Championship, according to Reduxx."
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@sunsporter1649 Sure I do. A woman is someone who identifies with the tropes that society assigns females at birth. Disagree? Then what do you think a woman is?
@BohoBabe What tropes? Wearing a dress, looking pretty, staying in the kitchen? Being a 'caregiver'? What is a woman who does none of those things? If I wear a pair of trousers and 'identify with the tropes that society assigns males' am I a man? Non-binary? That is a staggering definition.
@helsbels The tropes are different depending on the society and time period, so it depends where and when you're talking about.
If I wear a pair of trousers and 'identify with the tropes that society assigns males' am I a man?
Yes. Gender is about self-identity. If you identify as a man, then you're a man. This definition has the most utility, which is what language is about. And it's like that for literally every other culture based on self-identity.
@BohoBabe Yes I realised that didn't really work and deleted, it's more for the people that believe you can change sex, or think that by saying 'I believe I'm a woman' three times and clapping means it's a fact 😄
So what do you think that should mean in reality, other than being the way you personally define or describe yourself... having a 'gender identity' shouldn't bypass restrictions that are based on sex. If gender is as simple as the clothes you wear it changes nothing material about a person.
@BohoBabe In the example in the main post about weightlifting... you must see that's unfair? Even allowing for HRT there are other advantages that can't be undone. Men are on the whole taller, bigger, and they don't lose that. Having longer legs is an advantage in running, cycling... longer torso, reach etc helps in weightlifting. And yes, there are women that compete that will have those natural advantages but not to the same extent and not as insurmountable as can be seen when competeting against transwomen.
@helsbels Well you can change your sex with HRT. But yeah, sex is about biology, whereas gender is about culture and identity.
If gender is as simple as the clothes you wear it changes nothing material about a person.
It's not just the clothes you wear. There are a buttload of tropes that define gender, and like I said before, those tropes are different depending on the society and time. Gender is super arbitrary. This is why the only thing that makes sense is to go by self-identity. Language is about utility and when it comes to cultural identities, letting people define themselves just has the most utility.
And bee tee dubs, gender has always been cultural and arbitrary. I'm sure you've heard people say shit like "he cried, he's not a real man" or "she doesn't want kids, she's not a real woman." I think that's stupid. And gay. If gender is that arbitrary, we should let people define what gender means to them, if anything. Personally, I don't care about gender identity. For other people, it's a very important thing. Whatever, as long as you're not harming anyone, embrace or reject your gender however you decide.
Even allowing for HRT there are other advantages that can't be undone.
Well it depends on the sport. In certain sports, height makes a difference, so a trans woman who went through puberty could have an advantage even with HRT. But sports orgs usually take that into consideration. Plus there are usually height and weight classes.
Whatever, as long as you're not harming anyone, embrace or reject your gender however you decide.
But it is harming people... that's what some women are speaking up and saying, and we're shouted down as terfs and bigots. 'My gender identity is female, so I'll compete against women' = women losing out. Where is our equality and fairness.
@helsbels But that's not actually happening. Notice how these people, who are usually just grifters being paid by billionaires, never have any examples of trans women that totally dominate women's sports. This is like the whole "groomer" narrative. It's bullshit used to distract people from real issues.
@BohoBabe 1. There is plenty of evidence, I'll be back to show you 🤣 2. Why is 'dominance' the threshold? If it happens 'only' way down at amateur level... how does that woman progress and improve and hope to reach a higher level?
Boys of 14 begin to record times in races that match and beat pro women.
@helsbels I mean that the talking-points you're hearing, which are about trans women dominating, are lies.
If a trans woman beats a cis woman at something, how does that in any way prevent the cis woman from progressing and improving? All that should matter is if there is an unfair advantage. And in most sports, if a trans woman has been on HRT long enough, then there is no advantage based on birth sex.
That's because by that age, most boys have already started going through puberty. HRT undoes that advantage.
@BohoBabe Hearing, seeing with my own eyes, experiencing for myself.
YOU are the ones believing lies, like 'anyone who opposes this has been duped by media'. You seem to mean well but are so blinkered...
I posted a Twitter (X!) link earlier... how do you explain that one away? 'Lia' Thomas... ranked 4 hundred and something when competing against men, but ranked number one when competing against women? 🤔
@helsbels So I can't speak for the UK. The regulations I mentioned are in America, which I agree with. They're also done by international leagues like the Olympics.
Though it seems like the UK is cracking down now. https://www.cnn.com/2023/08/04/sport/transgender-women-british-rowing-intl-scli-spt-gbr/index.html
