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Notanymore · 36-40, M
TheOneyouwerewarnedabout · 41-45, MVIP
@Notanymore lolz
MrBrownstone · 46-50, M
@Notanymore Exactly! The law will stop murder.
Notanymore · 36-40, M
@MrBrownstone enough is enough!
Carazaa · F
@Notanymore
We believe in love, not guns in Scandinavia!
Denmark has had 2 mass killings the last 7 years because guns are outlawed,
USA has had 303 this year alone. But praise God there are new laws in the USA to protect kids. We need to love people more in the USA!
We believe in love, not guns in Scandinavia!
Denmark has had 2 mass killings the last 7 years because guns are outlawed,
USA has had 303 this year alone. But praise God there are new laws in the USA to protect kids. We need to love people more in the USA!
MrBrownstone · 46-50, M
@Notanymore You can turn off notifications.
Carazaa · F
@Notanymore FOX news is entertainment not news. CBS, NBC, and ABC , PBS, are all good and they honor the law of honest broadcasting, so that is what I watch.
Carazaa · F
ArishMell · 70-79, M
@Carazaa Believe it or not I actually agree with most of what you say there, even though I am not religious and don't credit or absolve any one faith above any others !
I've tried to think how many gun-owners I have known over many years, in many social and work situations. It is not more than 2 or 3 to the best of my knowledge, of very many people. Perhaps a few others have owned air-rifles. One uses a shot-gun for clay-pigeon shooting. Another has a few antique firearms that cannot safely be fired, if at all, anyway; though he sometimes demonstrates their flint-lock action using only a pinch of black powder in the firing-pan.
It is strange and deeply troubling to us living in largely gun-free societies where random shootings are very rare, to see the headlines, to read the statistics from the USA such those you quoted to RedFlower. I do think though that whatever is going wrong there, simply citing party-political or religious extremism, mental illness or 18C laws is not the only answer by any means to the question of why so many of such outrages in just one, highly-developed, "Western" democracy (small 'd').
Worse, such links risk creating scapegoats and blanket assertions that may help come to terms with the outrage, but miss or hide deeper problems beyond it, and perhaps common to many such incidents.
Extremism or personality disorders may well be key points in particular incidents, but is there something deeper in American society that foreigners like me might understand, but which we must admit only the Americans themselves can and should address? For extremist beliefs or dangerous mental problems are by no means confined to the USA.
European nations, Australia and New Zealand have suffered terrorist attacks, i.e. with clear extreme-political motives, and not all are by gun. Random shootings for no clear reason though, are extremely rare; and the motive of a shooter who is killed or commits suicide at the scene, can be assessed only rather circumstantially. The difficulty of obtaining guns and ammunition in some countries at least, must be an important and obvious factor, and one I certainly support; but I think the number of people driven to such outrages, with any weapon, are themselves extremely rare even pro-rata by population.
You point elsewhere to the nations of Western Europe having had a millenium of peace and joy - oh no they have not, far from it in fact; for all sorts of reasons. Perhaps though, that long lesson of history is why this polyglot, multi-cultural, multi-religious mix is largely peaceful now, to the extent of little widespread gun ownership. Joy? We try, and we are generally all friends with each other - even without the EU's "anthem" being Beethoven's Ode To Joy.
Indeed, in countries like these, such murders call if anything for more gun controls, not less. There is just no widespread appetite in their societies for gratuitous ownership of firearms.
I've tried to think how many gun-owners I have known over many years, in many social and work situations. It is not more than 2 or 3 to the best of my knowledge, of very many people. Perhaps a few others have owned air-rifles. One uses a shot-gun for clay-pigeon shooting. Another has a few antique firearms that cannot safely be fired, if at all, anyway; though he sometimes demonstrates their flint-lock action using only a pinch of black powder in the firing-pan.
It is strange and deeply troubling to us living in largely gun-free societies where random shootings are very rare, to see the headlines, to read the statistics from the USA such those you quoted to RedFlower. I do think though that whatever is going wrong there, simply citing party-political or religious extremism, mental illness or 18C laws is not the only answer by any means to the question of why so many of such outrages in just one, highly-developed, "Western" democracy (small 'd').
Worse, such links risk creating scapegoats and blanket assertions that may help come to terms with the outrage, but miss or hide deeper problems beyond it, and perhaps common to many such incidents.
Extremism or personality disorders may well be key points in particular incidents, but is there something deeper in American society that foreigners like me might understand, but which we must admit only the Americans themselves can and should address? For extremist beliefs or dangerous mental problems are by no means confined to the USA.
European nations, Australia and New Zealand have suffered terrorist attacks, i.e. with clear extreme-political motives, and not all are by gun. Random shootings for no clear reason though, are extremely rare; and the motive of a shooter who is killed or commits suicide at the scene, can be assessed only rather circumstantially. The difficulty of obtaining guns and ammunition in some countries at least, must be an important and obvious factor, and one I certainly support; but I think the number of people driven to such outrages, with any weapon, are themselves extremely rare even pro-rata by population.
You point elsewhere to the nations of Western Europe having had a millenium of peace and joy - oh no they have not, far from it in fact; for all sorts of reasons. Perhaps though, that long lesson of history is why this polyglot, multi-cultural, multi-religious mix is largely peaceful now, to the extent of little widespread gun ownership. Joy? We try, and we are generally all friends with each other - even without the EU's "anthem" being Beethoven's Ode To Joy.
Indeed, in countries like these, such murders call if anything for more gun controls, not less. There is just no widespread appetite in their societies for gratuitous ownership of firearms.
Carazaa · F
@ArishMell
I am from Scandinavia and compared to now (after year 2000) Scandinavia has been very peaceful due to its Christian values to love your enemies, and Gods protection for about 1000 years.
What is happening in the USA I believe is Fascist movement teaching hate. The 4th of July killer this week was a fascist. He loved Trump, has a SS on his wall, a fascist symbol also looking like a swastika, and many guns, and believed that "commies are everywhere"
I watched a program 3 nights ago "Hate thy brother" where a woman in the USA was interviewed from a fascist organization in South Carolina and she said, "I wish another Hitler could just kill the Jews in the USA because they don't deserve this country." Her husband looked at her with a smile and said, "I love you!" She and her husband had a house full of small children close to 10 kids that had to salute to the swastika daily.
It is also a consequence of divorce and young boys without Fathers and no guidance
It is also a consequence of work life in the USA that parents don't spend time with kids because they don't have vacations, they have sick leave only. unless they are teachers.
There are very few regulations to control the abuse of an employee in the USA. People work weekends and 60 hr week. And people fire people left and right if they have a problem with someone. Many kids are alone watching tv or video games all summer on their vacations. It is horrifying to see!
It also has a consequence of very little support from grandparents because the country is so big, and people don't live close.
And I also think authoritarian parenting is a problem. It has to do with the huge miliary here where they train young boys in a punitive way, instead of rewarding, so they parent the same way when they become parents. Kids are highly criticized, and many are very mad. Many get kicked out at 18, and there isn't much mass transit so they have to buy a car, and they can't afford it. Many frustrated young. (Many believe that having good mass transit bring the undesirables and homeless to their town)
Many young turn to drugs so there is a huge drug problem too.
All this and easy access to guns are a bad combination.
I am from Scandinavia and compared to now (after year 2000) Scandinavia has been very peaceful due to its Christian values to love your enemies, and Gods protection for about 1000 years.
What is happening in the USA I believe is Fascist movement teaching hate. The 4th of July killer this week was a fascist. He loved Trump, has a SS on his wall, a fascist symbol also looking like a swastika, and many guns, and believed that "commies are everywhere"
I watched a program 3 nights ago "Hate thy brother" where a woman in the USA was interviewed from a fascist organization in South Carolina and she said, "I wish another Hitler could just kill the Jews in the USA because they don't deserve this country." Her husband looked at her with a smile and said, "I love you!" She and her husband had a house full of small children close to 10 kids that had to salute to the swastika daily.
It is also a consequence of divorce and young boys without Fathers and no guidance
It is also a consequence of work life in the USA that parents don't spend time with kids because they don't have vacations, they have sick leave only. unless they are teachers.
There are very few regulations to control the abuse of an employee in the USA. People work weekends and 60 hr week. And people fire people left and right if they have a problem with someone. Many kids are alone watching tv or video games all summer on their vacations. It is horrifying to see!
It also has a consequence of very little support from grandparents because the country is so big, and people don't live close.
And I also think authoritarian parenting is a problem. It has to do with the huge miliary here where they train young boys in a punitive way, instead of rewarding, so they parent the same way when they become parents. Kids are highly criticized, and many are very mad. Many get kicked out at 18, and there isn't much mass transit so they have to buy a car, and they can't afford it. Many frustrated young. (Many believe that having good mass transit bring the undesirables and homeless to their town)
Many young turn to drugs so there is a huge drug problem too.
All this and easy access to guns are a bad combination.
ArishMell · 70-79, M
@Carazaa Yes - bad combination indeed.
The drugs problem is fuelled by "celebrities" thinking cocaine clever, although I don't know how much this still goes on. Though drugs are hardly new. Opioids became very fashionable in the 19C, among those able to afford them, but at that time their dangers were probably not recognised. The drug of choice for the poor was often alcohol.
It's a sink or swim society over there, but anyone who suggests going anywhere near the sort of employee protection, health and social systems common across Europe, is apparently thought bordering on "Communist". They do have holidays from work, but very limited. I think two weeks a year is still typical; and I would not be surprised if some employers grant virtually none.
Far-Right, neo-Nazi ideology is not confined to the USA though. It does circulate in many European countries, and one or two, particularly Turkey and Hungary, are becoming increasingly authoritarian at government level.
Back in the early-1980s when we had the noisy but generally dim-witted far-Right groups like the National Front and its ilk in Britain, a police officer once told me they regard the far-Left as the dangerous ones, as they were more crafty and manipulative, with some being discreetly encouraged by the USSR. It seems the opposite polarity now.
The drugs problem is fuelled by "celebrities" thinking cocaine clever, although I don't know how much this still goes on. Though drugs are hardly new. Opioids became very fashionable in the 19C, among those able to afford them, but at that time their dangers were probably not recognised. The drug of choice for the poor was often alcohol.
It's a sink or swim society over there, but anyone who suggests going anywhere near the sort of employee protection, health and social systems common across Europe, is apparently thought bordering on "Communist". They do have holidays from work, but very limited. I think two weeks a year is still typical; and I would not be surprised if some employers grant virtually none.
Far-Right, neo-Nazi ideology is not confined to the USA though. It does circulate in many European countries, and one or two, particularly Turkey and Hungary, are becoming increasingly authoritarian at government level.
Back in the early-1980s when we had the noisy but generally dim-witted far-Right groups like the National Front and its ilk in Britain, a police officer once told me they regard the far-Left as the dangerous ones, as they were more crafty and manipulative, with some being discreetly encouraged by the USSR. It seems the opposite polarity now.
Carazaa · F
@ArishMell The "2-week vacation" yearly is 2-week sick leave and if you don't take the sick days then it becomes vacation days. But many mothers have to stay home with their kids when sick, so most have no vacation left in the summer. Except for half a day for Christmas eve, Columbus Day, Memorial Day, June tenth day, 4th of July and veterans' day. Days where they have to catch up on work, or laundry, cleaning, and shopping. The work ethic is great, but it leaves kids alone A LOT! oh, I forgot another reason for frustrated youth is all the deployments and moving that military, navy, and service families have to do. Many kids move once a year to a new school for their entire childhood. Those children have no friends to talk to whom they trust. And then there are parents that don't trust kids to go outside because of "dangers" so they are isolated.
Sorry for being negative about kids' welfare in the USA but it is totally different than in smaller countries with more supportive extended families. I am praying this will change for kids in the USA.
Sorry for being negative about kids' welfare in the USA but it is totally different than in smaller countries with more supportive extended families. I am praying this will change for kids in the USA.