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Should we have listened to Patton?

“I understand the situation. Their (the Soviet) supply system is inadequate to maintain them in a serious action such as I could put to them. They have chickens in the coop and cattle on the hoof — that’s their supply system. They could probably maintain themselves in the type of fighting I could give them for five days. After that it would make no difference how many million men they have, and if you wanted Moscow I could give it to you. They lived on the land coming down. There is insufficient left for them to maintain themselves going back. Let’s not give them time to build up their supplies. If we do, then . . . we have had a victory over the Germans and disarmed them, but we have failed in the liberation of Europe; we have lost the war!”

George S. Patton
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Patton was right, but it would not have been politically popular at the time.
Probably true re the second part. FDR had to drag the pro isolationist US into WWII in the first place. @BizSuitStacy
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@BizSuitStacy Sad, but probably true.
@jackjjackson Everyone was on board after Pearl Harbor.
As to Japan. Still some foot dragging re Europe. @LeopoldBloom
@jackjjackson Hardly. We declared war on the Axis powers almost immediately.

There was no motivation to conquer Russia after Germany fell, however. Remember that they were our allies. The goal was to secure as much of western Europe as possible while the Soviets grabbed eastern Europe.
Allied by necessity until the Nazis were gone then every man for himself. @LeopoldBloom
@jackjjackson Again, there was no enthusiasm in the US for a land invasion of Russia at that point. People wanted the war to be over by then. Nazi Germany was the enemy, so when they were defeated, that was the end. All that remained was dividing Europe between the US and USSR. Also, keep in mind that we were still fighting Japan, and the public wanted that to end, too.

It's fun to second-guess the leadership of the past, but that requires you to ignore important considerations. For example, if Germany had taken advantage of the expertise of its Jewish population instead of wasting money rounding them up and gassing them, they probably would have won the war. But since Nazis was basically built on Jew-hatred, that wasn't an option. It would be like saying that the Confederacy would have won the Civil War if they'd freed the slaves and placed them under arms to fight the Union. But that makes no sense either because the only reason the Confederacy seceded was to preserve slavery.
My proposal is that several Soviet cities should have been nuked along with the two in Japan. @LeopoldBloom
@jackjjackson That would definitely have been a war crime. We weren't at war with the USSR. Even the nuking of Japan was problematic in retrospect, although I don't see how it could have been avoided.
Who would have done exactly what to us? No one. @LeopoldBloom
@jackjjackson Not all of our leaders have been amoral psychopaths.

Anyway, hindsight is 20/20. We would have been far better off if we'd stayed the fuck out of Korea and Vietnam.
I agree completely re the wars. @LeopoldBloom
@jackjjackson But there were reasons at the time that the people in charge thought were valid. Same for the Iraq and Afghanistan wars.
Such as the Biden pull out? Yeah that was sensible 😳 @LeopoldBloom
@jackjjackson We've gone over this. Maybe if Traitor Tot hadn't "negotiated" the release of 5000 Taliban prisoners, the withdrawal would have gone better. I guess your plan would have been to disarm the Afghan army before we left, or maybe to just stay there forever and keep paying for what amounted to a make-work program for the Kabul government.

We should have ended that war in 2002, but your other genius, President Howdy Doody, got distracted with a war against the wrong country. Biden had the courage to pull off the bandaid.
Nice to know you value American lives and used bandaids equally. @LeopoldBloom
@jackjjackson Whatever the fuck that means. Yes, I value American lives and don't believe in throwing them away in pointless dick-waving exercises or throwing good money after bad.