How close are we to living in a Hunger Games world? [I Love The Hunger Games]
I watched all three movies twice this weekend. It's kind of scary.
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sarabee1995 · 26-30, F
Ksmile14 · F
@sarabee1995 That's what I'm afraid of. :(
sarabee1995 · 26-30, F
theoldschoola · 46-50, M
@Ksmile14 She looks even better naked.
ShadowSister · 46-50, F
@sarabee1995
[quote]The Capitol makes the rules the Districts must comply with.
The Districts must pay tribute to the Capitol.
The people of the Districts look at the people in the Capitol as clowns.[/quote]
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Did someone break in and hack your account? Of all the people to make a petty jab at our system of government, I thought you would certainly be last. Or did I miss a joke somewhere? At the very least, I assume you must have been using hyperbole.
No one is asking each state to pick someone to die in a state-sponsored battle to the death. Also we live in a democratic republic.
I only read the first book and watched the first movie. I absolutely hated it. It was so grotesque and barbaric. It does NOT describe my country.
Or the fine men and women who serve my country.
[quote]The Capitol makes the rules the Districts must comply with.
The Districts must pay tribute to the Capitol.
The people of the Districts look at the people in the Capitol as clowns.[/quote]
🤨
Did someone break in and hack your account? Of all the people to make a petty jab at our system of government, I thought you would certainly be last. Or did I miss a joke somewhere? At the very least, I assume you must have been using hyperbole.
No one is asking each state to pick someone to die in a state-sponsored battle to the death. Also we live in a democratic republic.
I only read the first book and watched the first movie. I absolutely hated it. It was so grotesque and barbaric. It does NOT describe my country.
Or the fine men and women who serve my country.
KiwiBird · 36-40, F
@ShadowSister Sounds like a good reason not to read them. @sarabee1995
sarabee1995 · 26-30, F
@ShadowSister Constitutional Republic, not Democratic Republic. But yeah.
Are we living in the Hunger Games universe? No, of course not. But if the Hunger Games is an allegory and the states are the districts, then there are many parallels and lessons we can draw.
And this is no petty jab at our system of government!! I've written many times here about our Declaration and our Constitution and how I view them among the greatest political writings of Mankind. But we have strayed far afield from those writings. The Capital does, indeed, make many rules that the districts must comply with and a great many of those rules lay far from it's constitutionally defined powers. I could go on. But don't mistake a little criticism for any disloyalty or infidelity.
Are we living in the Hunger Games universe? No, of course not. But if the Hunger Games is an allegory and the states are the districts, then there are many parallels and lessons we can draw.
And this is no petty jab at our system of government!! I've written many times here about our Declaration and our Constitution and how I view them among the greatest political writings of Mankind. But we have strayed far afield from those writings. The Capital does, indeed, make many rules that the districts must comply with and a great many of those rules lay far from it's constitutionally defined powers. I could go on. But don't mistake a little criticism for any disloyalty or infidelity.
ShadowSister · 46-50, F
@sarabee1995 This is more like the Sara I know.
Still, I don't accept the sending of children to viciously kill one another in a game for the amusement of those in charge to be ANY SORT of allegory for our nation. To me, this is well beyond "a little criticism." But then again, I hated the book and was absolutely disgusted by the premise. They were forced to kill one another. I simply cannot see an acceptable analogy with my country because of the book's scenario was just so grotesque. The entire concept made me want to vomit.
Still, I don't accept the sending of children to viciously kill one another in a game for the amusement of those in charge to be ANY SORT of allegory for our nation. To me, this is well beyond "a little criticism." But then again, I hated the book and was absolutely disgusted by the premise. They were forced to kill one another. I simply cannot see an acceptable analogy with my country because of the book's scenario was just so grotesque. The entire concept made me want to vomit.
sarabee1995 · 26-30, F
@ShadowSister Are there no children in modern western societies who, through social circumstances and economic deprivation, feel compelled to commit crimes in order to survive? Are not we allowing their situation to continue unabated?
I appreciate your defense of our nation. I love her too. But let us not allow our love of her blind us to her blemishes.
I appreciate your defense of our nation. I love her too. But let us not allow our love of her blind us to her blemishes.
ShadowSister · 46-50, F
@sarabee1995 "Feeling compelled to commit crimes in order to survive" is hardly the same thing as "being forced to murder your peers, and likely be murdered yourself." Do you SERIOUSLY believe our nation is as dark as the Hunger Games portrays? I am really surprised by your response. How is your worldview?
To be clear, I am not saying there are no blemishes. But I am saying that our blemishes are of entirely different sort than the inhumanity portrayed in the Hunger Games.
To be clear, I am not saying there are no blemishes. But I am saying that our blemishes are of entirely different sort than the inhumanity portrayed in the Hunger Games.
sarabee1995 · 26-30, F
@ShadowSister The Hunger Games is an allegory. It uses extremes to make a point. It is not meant to be taken literally. Nor are my parallels.
But, since you asked... No one in the arena in the Hunger Games is [b]forced[/b] to kill anyone else.
If you read the books, some people survive by hiding. Seen any of that in our society?
Others in the game respond to the injustice of it all by turning to violence. Certainly no one here is like that, right?
Nicole -- I love America. Please don't think that any of this implies anything less. But social injustice is rampant here and across all human societies. The Hunger Games is simply us carried to an extreme end. Don't take it literally.
But, since you asked... No one in the arena in the Hunger Games is [b]forced[/b] to kill anyone else.
If you read the books, some people survive by hiding. Seen any of that in our society?
Others in the game respond to the injustice of it all by turning to violence. Certainly no one here is like that, right?
Nicole -- I love America. Please don't think that any of this implies anything less. But social injustice is rampant here and across all human societies. The Hunger Games is simply us carried to an extreme end. Don't take it literally.
ShadowSister · 46-50, F
@sarabee1995
[quote]No one in the arena in the Hunger Games is forced to kill anyone else.[/quote]
I disagree. Only one person survives. Unless you game the system, like Katniss did. And she got pushback for that. If you try to hide, and if you hide too long, the masters of the game do things to flush you out. True, you don't have to kill... and I wouldn't. But if you don't become a killer, you are going to die.
[quote]Don't take it literally.[/quote]
I think this is the part where you and I differ. Sara, I can't begin to tell you how much I hated the book and movie because of the grotesqueness of the scenario. I can't turn that level of evil into a metaphor. Do we have evil in our nation? Absolutely. Is it analogous? Not even close. It's like saying that having a million dollar debt is analogous to having a one dollar debt. That's not how analogies work. It could work the other way around, I could see using the smaller issue as a allegory for the bigger issue. But you can't extrapolate from the more intense backwards to the less intense.
But fine, let's say for the sake of argument that we grant that it is simply an allegory. You said,
[quote]What makes you think we aren't already? 🤔[/quote]
Excuse me??? Nothing about that statement implies an allegory. You are implying that the injustices that happen in our nation are similar to the injustices that happened in the Hunger Games. And they're just not.
Injustice is very real, and very unfair. You can I could both list off a dozen issues that desperately need to be set right. But none of those are the Hunger Games. None of those are remotely close to the Hunger Games. This is simply not the world we live in. And I'm honestly shocked that you think it is.
[quote]No one in the arena in the Hunger Games is forced to kill anyone else.[/quote]
I disagree. Only one person survives. Unless you game the system, like Katniss did. And she got pushback for that. If you try to hide, and if you hide too long, the masters of the game do things to flush you out. True, you don't have to kill... and I wouldn't. But if you don't become a killer, you are going to die.
[quote]Don't take it literally.[/quote]
I think this is the part where you and I differ. Sara, I can't begin to tell you how much I hated the book and movie because of the grotesqueness of the scenario. I can't turn that level of evil into a metaphor. Do we have evil in our nation? Absolutely. Is it analogous? Not even close. It's like saying that having a million dollar debt is analogous to having a one dollar debt. That's not how analogies work. It could work the other way around, I could see using the smaller issue as a allegory for the bigger issue. But you can't extrapolate from the more intense backwards to the less intense.
But fine, let's say for the sake of argument that we grant that it is simply an allegory. You said,
[quote]What makes you think we aren't already? 🤔[/quote]
Excuse me??? Nothing about that statement implies an allegory. You are implying that the injustices that happen in our nation are similar to the injustices that happened in the Hunger Games. And they're just not.
Injustice is very real, and very unfair. You can I could both list off a dozen issues that desperately need to be set right. But none of those are the Hunger Games. None of those are remotely close to the Hunger Games. This is simply not the world we live in. And I'm honestly shocked that you think it is.
sarabee1995 · 26-30, F
@ShadowSister Perhaps I've read too many dystopian futures with young gorgeous female heroines coming to save the day! 🤦♀️
ShadowSister · 46-50, F
@sarabee1995 I mean... I will glady ship you with Jennifer Lawrence if that's what makes you happy. 😆
sarabee1995 · 26-30, F
@ShadowSister Oh from your lips to God's ears! Yes!!