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Times have really changed but hollywood always tries to make everything seem "funny" so people don't look at the racial remarks.
Earlier I posted about mad tv which did that alot. When I was young late 90s-early 00's it was just funny
But when you are older you view things differently.
This episode consists of a black and white family... on family fued
Just watch it. These things happened on T.V well into the 00's,
[youtube=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dPTd4OUEyIk]
Earlier I posted about mad tv which did that alot. When I was young late 90s-early 00's it was just funny
But when you are older you view things differently.
This episode consists of a black and white family... on family fued
Just watch it. These things happened on T.V well into the 00's,
[youtube=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dPTd4OUEyIk]
bijouxbroussard · F
@RadiantRuby That’s one thing about MadTV—total parody like SNL. It really is possible to joke about stereotypes without being mean-spirited or disrespectful. But often it’s a fine line.
Carroll O’Connor was not the bigoted, close-minded Archie, he was an active advocate of civil rights. Born in 1925, the eldest son of a lawyer and teacher in Manhattan,A SUGGESTED EPITAPH for Carroll O'Connor, 1924-2001 ... we'd should induct him into a national Civil Rights Hall of fame.
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he had a way of reaching people who did not understand. a true hero in my book
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he had a way of reaching people who did not understand. a true hero in my book
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ChipmunkErnie · 70-79, M
@bijouxbroussard And the Archie Bunker character grew over the years, became more enlightened.
bijouxbroussard · F
@Carla One phrase that people wouldn’t get today was “credit to their race" which was one of those "compliments” [b]never[/b] applied to whites. When the late Hattie McDaniel accepted her Best Supporting Actress Oscar, first one won by a black woman, she said in part:
[quote] . It has made me feel very, very humble and I shall always hold it as a beacon for anything I may be able to do in the future. I sincerely hope I shall always be a credit to my race and to the motion picture industry.[/quote]
[quote] . It has made me feel very, very humble and I shall always hold it as a beacon for anything I may be able to do in the future. I sincerely hope I shall always be a credit to my race and to the motion picture industry.[/quote]
Crazywaterspring · 61-69, M
bijouxbroussard · F
@ChipmunkErnie As a kid, I really liked Norton. I didn’t like Kramden. He seemed like a bully to me. I was able to separate him from Jackie Gleason, and liked some of his other characters on his variety show, but I remember how I felt back then.
I think there was also a popular feeling that a woman couldn’t really [b]hurt[/b] a man (which of course we [b]know[/b] is untrue).
I think there was also a popular feeling that a woman couldn’t really [b]hurt[/b] a man (which of course we [b]know[/b] is untrue).
@ChipmunkErnie @bijouxbroussard I am fully convinced I saw Alice hit Ralph with a frying pan, whereas it was always understood that Ralph's threats were empty. Not justifying it, just saying that's how they justified it in those days.
ChipmunkErnie · 70-79, M
@CorvusBlackthorne Maybe it WAS Ralph who got hit; I could swear it was him or Norton.
bijouxbroussard · F
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@bijouxbroussard [c=4C0073]then i'd agree with her :D[/c]
spjennifer · 56-60, T
I remember as a young kid maybe 7 or 8 and watching the Original Star Trek, the episode when Capt. Kirk kissed Lt. Uhuru was on and my Father got mad, he was grumbling away and I asked him what was wrong... "White men shouldn't be kissing niggra women" was his response and he told my Mother to turn off the old black and white TV and I was sent to bed. We never watched Star Trek again that I can remember. My parents were both quite Liberal but years later I realized how racist a remark that was when I read about the furor that kiss had caused, so shameful but yes, a very different time...
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bijouxbroussard · F
@spjennifer Sorry, a troll turned up on this thread. I blocked him.
spjennifer · 56-60, T
@bijouxbroussard No worries, they do tend to crawl out from under their rocks every once in a while 😃
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ChipmunkErnie · 70-79, M
And, many would argue, a better time. I'm not so sure if our current PC over-reactions and hypersensitivity don't make things actually worse on some level. But I've always been a proponent of the old Lenny Bruce POV: use the words and phrases that are offensive until they lose their meaning. But you are so right, times change. I remember back in the 1970s when "the N word" could be heard on TV shows like THE JEFFERSONS and it was used for people of any color who were getting shafted, as in Patti Smith's "Rock and Roll N....."
bijouxbroussard · F
@ChipmunkErnie I know that’s been the premise behind black people using the "n" word, supposedly trying to take the power away. But, as long the KKK and others are [b]still[/b] using it, it’s as powerful as ever. There’s a reason even Richard Pryor eventually stopped using it in his comedy. I’ve always thought it’s a word that needs to go away, in every form.
ChipmunkErnie · 70-79, M
@bijouxbroussard The thing is, words like that don't seem to go away because as long as they retain their power someone will dig them up in order to hurt other people. Humanity sucks sometimes.
Jenny1234 · 51-55, F
I recently watched an old episode of the Jeffersons that guest starred Archie and Edith Bunker and Archie was upset about Edith having accepted an invitation to the Jeffersons party and well you know what Archie is like with his insults. I was so appalled and couldn’t believe this was allowed to be aired. I had to change the channel
bijouxbroussard · F
@MrHonkHonk What ? Who do [b]you[/b] think’s been subverted ?
bijouxbroussard · F
@Jenny1234 Sorry, a troll turned up on the post, so I blocked him and removed some unpleasant content.
Piper · 61-69, F
I really liked/like the Carol Burnett Show. To me, that skit seems to be high-lighting the ridiculousness of certain views and attitudes commonly held back then. Like Carla, though, I wonder if the point went over some of the heads in the roaring with laughter audience.
There are several vintage TV shows I still like a lot, that purposely at least attempted to show the absurdity of some views and attitudes...with humor.
There are several vintage TV shows I still like a lot, that purposely at least attempted to show the absurdity of some views and attitudes...with humor.
SethGreene531 · M
A striking image of the social construct of the time; victories hard won, and the work yet to be done.
I've seen some classics like All In The Family, The Jeffersons, and Different Strokes, now aired with a message, explaining the programming is a product of its time. The station asserting, the content is in no way endorsed by the broadcaster or its affiliates. And rather, intended to generate discussion.
I've seen some classics like All In The Family, The Jeffersons, and Different Strokes, now aired with a message, explaining the programming is a product of its time. The station asserting, the content is in no way endorsed by the broadcaster or its affiliates. And rather, intended to generate discussion.
bijouxbroussard · F
@Jamesy That’s really interesting. I watch MeTV and they occasionally show episodes from the Jeffersons, but they don’t use a disclaimer.
I am one of those people who can still laugh at humor that is racially based. Racially based humor is not the same thing as making a racist statement. People need to remember that.
Of course, it doesn't help that in this day and age, we have legitimate, card carrying racist making public statements, and even running for public office and getting elected.
Of course, it doesn't help that in this day and age, we have legitimate, card carrying racist making public statements, and even running for public office and getting elected.
bijouxbroussard · F
@CorvusBlackthorne It [b]is[/b] possible to be funny about stereotypes without being mean or disrespectful. SNL often manages to walk that line.
Back then there was so much really horrible stuff going on, and shows like All In The Family were a chance to laugh at the sheer stupidity of it.
And you’re right, we may be at a similar place again, where the reality is worse than any possible joke. 😞
Back then there was so much really horrible stuff going on, and shows like All In The Family were a chance to laugh at the sheer stupidity of it.
And you’re right, we may be at a similar place again, where the reality is worse than any possible joke. 😞
@bijouxbroussard Archer has historically had a lot of racially charged material, but they treat it in the same way as All In The Family. They encourage you to laugh at the racist. That, I believe, is the key to taking away their power.
uncalled4 · 56-60, M
I see things like that in a 1970s "Blazing Saddles", darkly satirical sort of way. I know not everyone will take it like that, though, and that's the issue, but satire can and does make people aware by employing humor, rather than a didactic tone, or God help us, a hashtag. Humor can go directly to the brain and make one think.
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times have changed . and mind you i have the full collection of this show. i loved it.
times have changed . and mind you i have the full collection of this show. i loved it.
@bijouxbroussard ya that got me confused also. never knew blacks till i moved to denver and they used the word more often than i like to hear. so i guess its all in the context of who is saying it or what is said before or after it was said. whites call each other rednecks and we are that sometimes also. go figure. keep up the good fight. mark
bijouxbroussard · F
@markansas There’s a lot of disagreement about that, within our ”community”. It’s more a class and generational issue than anything else. Some folks have taken the position that using it casually "takes the power away" but obviously that’s not so. A "powerless" word couldn’t still get people fired or even killed. Personally, if no one used it, I’d be happy. No other ethnic group embraces the terms they were oppressed with, it’s actually rather stupid. 🤨
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The Jeffersons - - "Brother Tom"
The Jeffersons - - "Brother Tom"
MethDozer · M
That's just a natural aspect of social satire. It has to be taken in reference in the time and place it is critiquing or making fun of. It isn't as much that you "couldn't make this or that joke today" it's more that "this or that joke" being made today would hold a different context. These jokes are in fact being made today they are just constructed around the current times to make them socially relevant satire over. A social satire or cynacism isn't going to be worded or constructed the same way as it was in the past even if it is about the same subject because yhe stereotypes, issues, and zietgeist changes and the aspects to critique change with it. But those same types of jokes are still being made and are still slapping all the same.
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bijouxbroussard · F
@MrHonkHonk I think you’re in the wrong thread…nothing about any of that being discussed. 😳
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