Would you or Do you Support Israel ?

@Subalugirl He might drag us both over his knee and make four cheeks rosy red!

@BohemianBabe what apartheid exactly do you mean? Could you explain please?

@LordShadowfire Yeah, I always think it's dumb when people say the Jews have to leave because Israel was a colonial project. Like yeah, but that's not the fault of the Jews who were born there. Regardless of the past, Israel exists now, Jews and Palestinians are both there, all we can do going forward is say the apartheid must end, every person living in Israel should have the same civil rights.

@BridgeOvertroubledWaters The Palestinians living in the West Bank don't have the same rights as the Jews living there. There are regions that Palestinians aren't allowed in, sometimes the government will just force them to leave their own homes so that Jews can move in, it's legit apartheid like they had in South Africa. Then in Gaza, people and goods aren't able to enter or exist without going through checkpoints which can take hours. Sometimes someone will wait hours to leave Gaza so they can get food or medicine for their family, but then get denied by the military and just have to remain there. This is why so many Gazans died in the bombings, Israel is bombing all of Gaza and the civilians aren't allowed to leave.

@BohemianBabe that's your mistake.
Most of the West Bank and the Gaza strip are NOT in Israeli hands. West Bank Palestinians are not Israeli citizens. Of I would want to go into Ramallah I would be stopped. Why? Because it's Palestinian territory and Israelis are not allowed there. It's like travelling between 2 countries.
The Gaza strip has been free of Jews since 2005. It was ruled by the Hamas. Of course there are checkpoints.
On the other hand Israeli Arabs have all rights. Judges, government members, university professors, students, sportsmen. There is no apartheid.

@BridgeOvertroubledWaters The Israeli government completely controls Gaza and the West Bank. Those regions are part of Israel. And even if they weren't, Israel would still be in the wrong for stealing land from the West Bank, bombing Gaza, and holding Gaza as an open air prison.

@BohemianBabe
I will never, ever, support Israel. The Zionists are just getting started on their conquest of the Levant in their plan to create Greater Israel. They will soon invade Syria, Jordan, Iraq, Kuwait, northern Saudi Arabia, and eastern Egypt to the Nile. And they will do it with the help of the dummies in Washington regardless of the political party. They will force all Jews around the world to move to the conquered lands to replaced the evicted Arabs.

@BohemianBabe read your history. Israel left the Gaza strip in 2005. Uprooted all Jewish towns from the area.
Read the arrangements of the 1993 Oslo Accords.

@Diotrephes What if Israel stopped being run by Zionists? I think it's fair to support Israel if they reject Zionism, the same way I'd support Russia if they reject Fascism.

@BridgeOvertroubledWaters
Duh. During the Nakba, Israel turned Gaza into an open air prison for Palestinians. Of course there were no Jews there.

@BohemianBabe Israel is a Zionist state. Israel was founded on base of Zionism.
There is a big difference between Israel and Russia. Know what it is ?
If Russia renounces it's currently rule the Russians would still live in Russia.
If Israel renounces anything (and personally I don't think such a thing will be done) we'll be overrun and massacred in a way that 7/10/2023 would seem minute

@BridgeOvertroubledWaters We? Do you mean to say that I've somehow managed to not notice that you personally live in Israel?

Edit: Okay, I'm apparently less observant than I thought.

@BridgeOvertroubledWaters
And America was founded on White Supremacy. But today, America has rejected that, and everyone here has civil rights. Israel can do the same. Reject Jewish Supremacy, give everyone civil rights.

@BohemianBabe look at the movies the Gazan advertises of how good life was there
Open air prison? BS .... Gaza received billions and their Hamas leaders used it on missiles, tunnels. They didn't care about hospirals , health care and schools.
Instead of using the money for their welfare they used it for their warfare

@BridgeOvertroubledWaters Talk to us about who doesn't care about hospitals. How many hospitals did Israel bomb? How many colleges did they destroy?

@BridgeOvertroubledWaters Yes, Hamas is bad. Israel is still an apartheid country because Palestinians don't have the same rights as Jews.

@BohemianBabe Israeli Arabs have equal rights. West Bank and Gazan Arabs don't live in Israel.
And talking if rights , do you know how many tens of thousands of workers worked in Israel? Do you know how many of them received nearly free medical treatment in Israel ? Despite not even being Israelis ?
Do you know why they don't anymore? Because of a certain 7/10 pogrom which backfired.

@BohemianBabe Israeli Arabs do , third time I'm writing this. West Bank and Gaza have self rule and government , Hamas in Gaza and the PA in the West Bank.

@BridgeOvertroubledWaters If you don't consider Gaza and the West Bank to be part of Israel, then that means those countries are being illegally occupied, among other war crimes such as Israel throwing Palestinians out of their own homes. It's like how in the British Empire, minorities didn't have rights in the lands that Britain controlled.

@BohemianBabe have you ever read the Oslo Accords ?

@BridgeOvertroubledWaters
In Gaza, Israel controls the borders, water, and electricity. So no, Gaza is not self-ruling.
In the West Bank, the IDF evicts Palestinians so their homes can be given to Jews.

@BridgeOvertroubledWaters
I've read everything.

@BohemianBabe if Hamas would have built their own electric plants instead of taking it from Israel they would have been independent, same for water plants.
They didn't consider those important and chose to build their tunnels and munitions instead.
Their leaders lived in millionaire life styles about embezzling money that was meant for the Gazan people.
Btw , the southern border of Gaza is with Egypt. They never got anything from the Egyptians, but hey , blame it on the Jews