@BohemianBabe And again, Hamas is a bunch of fucking cowards who hide behind innocent civilians while firing missiles. But let's just ignore that bit, shall we?
@LordShadowfire Nobody is ignoring that. I'm saying it's no excuse. We wouldn't excuse the American military blowing up a school to stop a shooting. Why is it ok to bomb a hospital to stop Hamas?
Nobody is ignoring that. I'm saying it's no excuse. We wouldn't excuse the American military blowing up a school to stop a shooting. Why is it ok to bomb a hospital to stop Hamas?
I've been reading up on what the Geneva convention actually says about that, because I personally wanted to know the answer to this question. Turns out that if the other guys are using human shields or hiding out in a hospital, there are some exceptions. But they are supposed to give the hospital sufficient warning to evacuate everybody who isn't a terrorist.
No, I don't think half an hour was sufficient warning.
@LordShadowfire Even that, I don't really agree with. What if Hamas doesn't allow the hospital to be evacuated? We are talking about hostages here. I still say the IDF should go in and rescue the hostages, which is exactly what they would do if the hostages were Jewish.
Even that, I don't really agree with. What if Hamas doesn't allow the hospital to be evacuated? We are talking about hostages here. I still say the IDF should go in and rescue the hostages, which is exactly what they would do if the hostages were Jewish.
Oh, sure. Send foot soldiers into a building where the enemy has had plenty of time to set up an ambush. Brilliant.
@LordShadowfire Yes, that's part of being a soldier. And again, this is what Israel does when the hostages are Jewish. This is what America does when we have a school shooting. This is basic shit, but we're taught it's ok to kill Arabs, so it seems crazy.
@BohemianBabe logic says they would not attack a hospital unless there were fighters in there or their intelligence said there were. There is no strategic value in a hospital. There are probably better ways to handle that situation, but like the USA after 9/11, its hard to keep from retaliating like a swarm of bees. Israel’s failure happened long before they were attacked. This is just the inevitable conclusion we all saw coming. Cease fire? Unless there are specific goals of resolving the situation, i don’t see the point.
@BohemianBabe So, what we're looking at here is a situation in which the civilian body count doesn't change, and what does change is the Hamas casualties drop from 100%, and Israeli casualties rise from 0%.
@LordShadowfire Answer my question. When there's a school shooting in America, which happens often, should cops go in and try to kill the shooter? Or should the military just blow up the school?
This is just the inevitable conclusion we all saw coming. Cease fire? Unless there are specific goals of resolving the situation, i don’t see the point.
That's what happens when the basis of a country is racial/ethnic supremacy. Of course the history of Israel was going to be war crime after war crime.
There are probably better ways to handle that situation, but like the USA after 9/11, its hard to keep from retaliating like a swarm of bees.
I disagree. If Ukraine is able to fight Russia with minimal civilian deaths, Israel should be able to do the same to Hamas, especially since Israel has so much more power than Hamas. Ukraine is the underdog, and they're still much more moral than Israel. Also, America was batshit insane after 9/11. That period should serve as an example of what not to do.
@BohemianBabe There are reports that even the Pentagon says Israel's operation in Gaza was poorly planned -- that Israel did not put enough thought into how to minimize civilian casualties. Israel just doesn't care about civilian casualties.
@flipper1966 I'm glad they reported that, but even that is watering down the truth. Israel, being a supremacist ethnostate, is purposely killing Arabs in order to keep the country as majority Jewish as possible.
There are reports that even the Pentagon says Israel's operation in Gaza was poorly planned -- that Israel did not put enough thought into how to minimize civilian casualties. Israel just doesn't care about civilian casualties.
That's much more accurate than assuming malicious intent. [quoteI'm glad they reported that, but even that is watering down the truth. Israel, being a supremacist ethnostate, is purposely killing Arabs in order to keep the country as majority Jewish as possible.][/quote] You do realize that the majority of Israelis are Arabic? I mean, sure, there's a Hebrew genetic group, but come on!
Answer my question. When there's a school shooting in America, which happens often, should cops go in and try to kill the shooter? Or should the military just blow up the school?
False equivalence fallacy. When there's a school shooting, it's one guy, with little to no military experience, against an entire school full of people and the police department. The hospital situation involved trained soldiers who didn't give a fuck about the civilian hostages other than to use them as leverage against the Israeli military.
