Hitler is the prime minister of Israel and Zionism is naizism
You: do you condemn Hamas ? Me: no I donât You: you are anti semetic ! Me: no Iâm anti apartheid You: no you are anti semetic! Me: no you are pro genocide You:no you are pro terrorist Me: no I am pro Palestinianâs right to self determine and because that is being [b]violently[/b] suppressed by Israel I therefore do not pass moral judgment on the Palestinian desperate armed struggle for their basic human rights You :I canât believe you donât condemn Hamas ! Me:well get used to it cuz neither does intentional law and neither does the UN and neither does the international court of justice and neither does the international criminal court and neither does the Geneva conventions and neither does the international committee for the Red Cross . You: Israel has the right to defend itself! Me: no they donât . Legally they forego the right to self defense because of their wrongful illegal occupation You: Hamas rockets! Me: if Israel wishes for the violence to stop then it will withdraw its illegal blockade of the Gaza Strip and it will cease launching high tech remote controlled bombing campaigns on the Gazan people . In fact according to Israelâs own top legal experts in international law, The only right Israel has is the right to withdraw from its illegal occupation . The only point in time in which Israel would retain the right of self defense is if it withdrew from its illegal occupation of the Gaza Strip and dismantled its illegal blockade And at that point of time If Hamas continued to fire rockets at Israel Then Israel would have a right to self defense You Cannot claim right of self defense If that right of self defense traces back to an illegal wrongful occupation.
@Moon3624 Once this war is over, Israel's best course of action for its own security would be to withdraw from Gaza and the West Bank, and let the Palestinians have an independent state. And if Hamas or whoever is in charge can't coexist peacefully and continues its attempt to take over the entire area, it would be a conflict between two sovereign countries. That still wouldn't satisfy the Nazis who don't think Israel should exist at all, but with an independent Palestinian state, they wouldn't have much of an argument left.
Israel should grant the Palestinians independence whether they want it or not.
@LeopoldBloom A settler colony and an apartheid regime will [b]never[/b] have my sympathy. It is ironic how militia groups like Irgun ended up being absorbed into the military and security forces of Israel and these forces are sitting on a yearly pile of documented crimes yet we are still questioning the integrity of this regime. Just as Harvard said Israel is to blame for everything which mainly started from the nakba and founding a country in the land and ashes of others There will never be two sides. Israel also refuses to let the nakba diaspora back in . Iâm sorry to break it to you but As long as there an illegal occupation and apartheid and injustice there will always be resistance And Iâm proud as hell to be a supporter of it. And again Israel has no right to self defense because they have been illegally occupying Gaza before the 7th of October (donât tell me they left in 2005 because that is bullshit ) and other crimes against the Palestinians so this geno- war is actually an illegal war . International laws is not a buffet you cherry pick from. I wholeheartedly support Palestine You cannot make peace with violent imperialist Just like South African apartheid (which Israel was a big supporter of ) And just like how Algeria got rid of French colonialism to resist and fight is the only way
â Nazis who don't think Israel should exist at allâ You donât make a land by stealing someone elseâs land and culture. They were gonna make it happen either way They were planning to create their Jewish supremacy land in Uganda or Argentina or Eritrea or Madagascar or Bahrain etc And the people of all of these lands would have rightfully resisted just like the Palestinians .
And I do not disregard Hamas killing civilians But I find it suspicious how the statements constantly keep on changing According to the times of Israel for instance , The victims went from 1400 down to 1200 And they are saying theyr still not sure of the toll Then they said there is no physical evidence of rape Then the 40 beheaded babies statement was taken back And even Biden himself said he isnât sure he saw 40 beheaded babies after he said he did A lot of reports came out saying a chuck of them are actually in Israeli forces and not innocent civilians And Israel has been caught lying endless times Like how they said they didnât bomb the hospital and said itâs a Hamas misfire only later we knew they actually did bomb it and when they were caught lying they decided to go bomb more hospitals and worse schools , bakeries , neighborhoods, UN facilities , refugee camps , church , mosques etc⊠Israel has also been caught using AI and lying about different things since the beginning of this war and before.
But you are right if Israel doesnât want to see history repeat itself where the indigenous fight off the aggressors They should hurry to destroy the whole toxic ideology of Zionism and give Palestine independence And admit the nakba Among other things .
Yesterdayâs colonizer đ«đ·đșđžđŹđ§ will never admit that đźđ± is a colonizer.
@Moon3624 A bunch of meaningless buzzwords. What country was Israel a colony of? How can Israel be "colonial" when a majority of Israeli Jews are descended from refugees? Why is Israel the only country whose right to exist is questioned? Shouldn't you be demonstrating for the elimination of the UK, France, and the US?
If your solution is to cleanse Israel of Jews and hand over the entire area to the Palestinians, you shouldn't be surprised if people don't react well to that. You don't want a Palestinian state alongside Israel, you want a Palestinian state that includes Israel with no Jews in it.
Just admit that your only regret was that the Holocaust wasn't more effective in eliminating people you hate.
@LeopoldBloom my meaningless buzzwords are facts. âDecedents of refugees â who created one of the worlds biggest refugee crisis Will never have an ounce of my sympathy. Every Zionist will never have my sympathy And I have met many Jewish who are anti Zionist
@Moon3624 Why are Jews the only people who are not allowed to have their own country?
If you're not equally concerned about China's ongoing genocide against the Uyghurs, or Russias intended genocide against Ukraine, or any number of others, you're just an antisemite. You might as well admit it instead of acting like you care about the Palestinians. If Palestinian people didn't exist, you'd still hate Israel.
@LeopoldBloom Jews are not the only people without a country so are Kurds and many others . Will you be okay with Kurds coming to your country with a superiority ideology (Zionism) and start depopulating your villages and cities and changing its names and colonizing your culture and starting an apartheid etc ?
there are literally endless humiliating checkpoints and segregation walls It is a heavily documented apartheid You can cry me a river Itâs an apartheid including illegal settlements and occupation to this day. Every single Israeli accusation is an Israeli confession cuz every single thing Hamas did Israel does /did but on a much bigger scale.
If Jews want a land USA can give them New York since USA loves them so much.
The ideal solution is for Zionism to be destroyed and for Palestinians to be given their culture and lands back The Jews who are not a majority and come even from different backgrounds should become citizens in this one state
The less ideal solution is a fair two state solution Where Palestinians have their own nation 100% free
I donât hate Jews I hate aggressors Donât play this game
And I LOVE how Jews use anti semite to refer to hatred towards Jews Self centered people Theyr only one group of semetic people And donât tell me hatred towards Arabs doesnât exist So no I believe you are being anti semetic to me
@Moon3624 If I lived in Kurdistan, I wouldn't be surprised if Kurds wanted to live there too. What you're ignoring is the fact that Jews have always had a presence in that area since antiquity, and many Palestinians are also descended from immigrants. Both groups have a legitimate claim to the area.
If you hated aggressors, you'd also hate Hamas, which oppresses its own people to a far greater degree than Israel does.
Palestinians never had their own country, and the Palestinian identity didn't even exist until the 20th century. Prior to that, they would have considered themselves Syrians.
Your dream of a judenrein Middle East will never happen. At this point, I support a two-state solution. Israel needs to unilaterally withdraw from Gaza and West Bank. The Palestinian leadership will never agree to any two-state arrangement, so Israel just needs to decide on one and give it to them.
@LeopoldBloom 1/ are you denying there are no groups without a country that represents them? answer with yes or no. I really have a list.
2/ âWhat you're ignoring is the fact that Jews have always had a presence in that area â they have. Not the European gypsies tho. There are Jews who never left the Middle East and lived in the Middle East throughout the centuries. But brining me whitie jacob from New York to replace a Palestinian family who lived in the land for generations What do you call that? Iâm wondering ? And even brining a Jew from another middle eastern part to replace a Palestinian is also ridiculous.
3/â If you hated aggressors, you'd also hate Hamas, which oppresses its own people to a far greater degree than Israel does.â
Israel violence exists with or without Hamas before and after Hamas as I illustrated before so Hamas is not really a big part of my discussion. Using Hamas as a scapegoat is a game you can play with someone else not me
4/âPalestinians never had their own country.â Because that is a relatively new concept. To illustrate, I come from Al hasa. The people of Al hasa are called hasawi. But Al hasa has never been the name of a country. Today itâs a region which is in east of Saudi Arabia but Before it became part of Saudi Arabia It was briefly under ottoman rule and before that other examples It was never really a country on its own Especially by modern day concept of âcountryâ Despite the fact Al hasa is bigger than the Uk when it comes to size. If the Brits took it from the ottomans instead of king Abdulaziz and gave it to a third party -the jews - You would have literally used this same disgusting analogy to justify displacing and colonizing the hasawi people and subjecting them to an apartheid đ âOh well they were under ottoman rule not a country on their ownâŠâ Btw both Palestinians and hasawi ppl were not fond of the ottoman rule đ Ironically Bahrain and Al hasa Were suggestion for your Jewish land :
If you say you want a nation with Jewish religion in power Thatâs not even Israel cuz Israel claims to be secular So if itâs a nation that claims to not be driven by religion By but race Then there is no claim for you over the land.
@Moon3624 The Jewish claim for the land is because they have lived there for generations. Both Jews and Palestinians have legitimate claims to the same area. But you will never push the Jews into the sea. The Palestinians can either live forever as perpetual victims with no identity other than being in opposition to Israel, or they can have their own country alongside it.
@LeopoldBloom Palestinians are Muslims Christians and Jews. Palestinian refers to the indigenous people of the land before the founding of Israel on their ashes and in the expense of their freedoms and rights This is all documented . Bringing me a a Jacob form New York to steal a Palestinian home Is what? Iâm still wondering.
@Moon3624 What about the Arabs from outside of Palestine who emigrated there at the same time as European Jews did? Why are they "indigenous" but Jews aren't? You probably think everyone calling themselves "Palestinian" is indigenous.
@LeopoldBloom Immigrants join the existing community. Thatâs not what Zionism is Thatâs now what Israel did. This is not the history And not the present .
Palestinian is every single person who was in that land for generations and generations be them Jew or Christian or Muslim Before Balfour declaration and mass Jewish migration to Palestine and founding of Israel and so on. Itâs not really hard.
@Moon3624 If immigrant Jews don't belong there, neither do immigrant Palestinians. However, since both groups have been living there for a while, they both deserve to stay there. The only question is what form their government takes. I don't see how they can live together in the same country, so they need two separate countries.
@LeopoldBloom I love how you cherry pick what you choose to reply to. Especially the important bits I mentioned đ Pointless conversation. please feel free to go on with your hypothetical two equal sides. As if South African apartheid had two equal sides. Iâm done putting up with your bullshit
@LeopoldBloom Most Jews before the revival of Hebrew didnât speak Hebrew⊠Just because Egyptians speak Arabic doesnât mean they are not the decedents of ancient Egyptians
Stop lumping all âArab â lands into one another
@Moon3624 At least you didn't accuse European Jews of being "Khazars" or other nonsense. I also notice that you didn't mention Mizrahi Jews who comprise the majority of Israelis.
