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RebelliousSpirit · F
Me too
His writings are still relevant today and his dream of a better society lives on!
His writings are still relevant today and his dream of a better society lives on!
Thinkerbell · 41-45, F
@RebelliousSpirit
Yeah, no doubt they'll get it right next time...
What's another 20 or 30 million dead advancing a good cause like that? 🤔
Yeah, no doubt they'll get it right next time...
What's another 20 or 30 million dead advancing a good cause like that? 🤔
RebelliousSpirit · F
@Thinkerbell There are multiple reasons why Communism or rather Socialism at that stage failed in these states.
Only a Capitalist industrialized nation can move towards Communism. A feudal agricultural system is in no way ready for it therefore mass starvations occur. Marx wrote that it would fail if done that way.
Also power concentrated in the hand of one or few tends to end badly no matter the ideology.
Only a Capitalist industrialized nation can move towards Communism. A feudal agricultural system is in no way ready for it therefore mass starvations occur. Marx wrote that it would fail if done that way.
Also power concentrated in the hand of one or few tends to end badly no matter the ideology.
Thinkerbell · 41-45, F
@RebelliousSpirit
Like in the dictatorship of the proletariat?
Oh wait, I forgot... the dictatorship will be exercised by the collective soviets, no doubt. 🙄 🙄 🙄
"Also power concentrated in the hand of one or few tends to end badly no matter the ideology."
Like in the dictatorship of the proletariat?
Oh wait, I forgot... the dictatorship will be exercised by the collective soviets, no doubt. 🙄 🙄 🙄
RebelliousSpirit · F
@Thinkerbell That would be the rule of a majority (working class people and small business owner) over a minority (very rich people who owned the means of production) like in a democracy actually. Also are you aware of the living conditions and the political situations at the time Marx lived?
I could committ atrocities in the name of Jesus yet would anyone blame Jesus or would I be the one to blame?
I could committ atrocities in the name of Jesus yet would anyone blame Jesus or would I be the one to blame?
Thinkerbell · 41-45, F
@RebelliousSpirit
Jesus did not preach violent revolution; Marx DID.
And what Marx overlooked is that people who lead violent revolutions are violent; they brook no opposition, and so people like Lenin, Stalin, Mao and many lesser communist dictators take over.
Yes, yes, I know... they were only "socialists" building communism, but somehow, they never got around to establishing Marx's fantasy world.
What I blame Marx for is being a very poor judge of human nature. There will always be class distinctions between those who have political power and those who do not, and the "haves" generally don't relish giving up their privileges. The best you can hope for are free and honest elections in which the scoundrels can be thrown out, something for which Marxist governments have not been noted.
Jesus did not preach violent revolution; Marx DID.
And what Marx overlooked is that people who lead violent revolutions are violent; they brook no opposition, and so people like Lenin, Stalin, Mao and many lesser communist dictators take over.
Yes, yes, I know... they were only "socialists" building communism, but somehow, they never got around to establishing Marx's fantasy world.
What I blame Marx for is being a very poor judge of human nature. There will always be class distinctions between those who have political power and those who do not, and the "haves" generally don't relish giving up their privileges. The best you can hope for are free and honest elections in which the scoundrels can be thrown out, something for which Marxist governments have not been noted.