I'm enjoying karl marxs works

@Fukfacewillie what do you mean

@Fukfacewillie Yes, God would really approve of Marx. 🤩

@Loopysoutherner @irishmolly72 I mean people get so freaked out by other people reading Marx. I’m not a Marxist, but he makes some interesting arguments about economic exploitation. I don’t see the harm in reading him or challenging some aspects of capitalism. It’s political philosophy as well and should be read in the context of Europe grappling with some pretty nasty aspects of the Industrial Revolution.

@Fukfacewillie reading marx is highly formative even if you disagree with aspects of his theories

@Fukfacewillie Yes, aspects that were soooooo nasty that people flocked from all over the agrarian world to be a part of it. People hated it so much they piled in by the millions.

It's kind of like how all the liberals hate america yet people keep going there by the millions.... legally and illegally.

@Fukfacewillie This is what I've been trying to tell her, the whole time. It was written about the caste system, and entitlements, and 19th century Europe with Monarchies. Not the United States which never had any of that. Private property such as houses, cars, wages etc, here are earned. INheritance is not passed down from noble families here, it was usually earned by the family.

@irishmolly72 workers in the industrial revolution worked in appaling conditions and forced to live in cramped houses and caught diseases

@Loopysoutherner Yes, almost as bad as what they had before.

@irishmolly72 but in This case they were being exploited by those who were raking in profits from those workers who also included children

@irishmolly72 Correct. Basiclly Marxisim is just taking revenge on the high class, making them poor, and oppressing them. It was basically a revenge scheme for peasants. Instead of Monarchs, and Nobility, it establishes an oppressive state bureaucracy, that is no better.

I like the idea of the US, my country, where for example an Italian having it tough in Itlay can come here, start their own Pizza business, hire people, and either keep it small, or make a dream out of it and go national.

@ShadowWolf nope. Marixsm is about improving the rights of workers and creating a fair society for anyone to have a chance to succeed regardless of their material backgrounds

@ShadowWolf marixsm was a vocal champion of the working class, not the peasants

@Loopysoutherner The working class was basiclly the peasants you dolt.

@ShadowWolf no. The peasants were small land owners. The proletariat were those who sold their labour power to capitalists for money to eat and drink

@Loopysoutherner Ummmm semi true, but also false. peasants didn't own land. They worked for Dukes, Lords and Ladys on the nobilities land. They are part of what you call the "Proletariat". For example. the serfs in Imperial Russia. Kings/Emperors etc used to grant land to nobility, and then serfs would work the land. They did not own it.

@ShadowWolf they did under a feaudalist system but post that they owned their own lands. Proletariat who is the working class were those who owned no lands

@ShadowWolf the feudal state was overthrown by the capitalist system

@Loopysoutherner Notttttt in Russia or China. Under Tsar Nicholas II, even towards the end, it was still feudal. Granted, Russia was well behind Europe, but still. China had the Qing dynasty, which yes, did get overthrown by the "republic" but it was not really capitialist. And it was very brief, before Mao's revolution.

China's history is very complex, because you had different ethnic groups vying for power, even during the Dynastic era. The Mongols, Han Chinese, and Manchu to be precise.

@ShadowWolf I told you that russia and China were underdeveloped and backward countries which made the establishment of commusim impossible. Marx believed only highly developed countries such as England and America could achieve socialism and achieve it peacefully.

@ShadowWolf Try using 1970s Cambodia. Oh wait... never mind. 😳

@irishmolly72 Not sure how your comment is a reply to my point about how reading Marx is a worthy endeavor. If only to be familiar with his arguments and because from a historical perspective he is a significant figure.

@ShadowWolf the French revolution was a massive step foward for France developing as a country and as a people's

@Loopysoutherner Yes, Napoleon was a real godsend.

@Loopysoutherner I agree with you (shocker), however, I was using it as a point to prove that your arguement of establishing things peacefully, did not happen in France. The French Revolution was incredbilty bloody, just like every other socialist/Marxist revolution. Your arguement is that a developed country would have a peaceful transition. France proves that not to be the case.