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I'm enjoying karl marxs works

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irishmolly72 · 56-60, F
Marxism summed up in a single sentence: "We pretend to work, and the government pretends to pay us."
Loopysoutherner · 56-60, F
@irishmolly72 if you believe right wing fearmongering
Loopysoutherner · 56-60, F
@irishmolly72 if you follow everything the American media tells you then you'll believe anything
ShadowWolf · 31-35, M
@irishmolly72 Thankfully these crazies are in the minority. Notice how they aren't content with their own countries, and want to change ours? The US has a message for them: "We will not be part of a global village!"
irishmolly72 · 56-60, F
Loopysoutherner · 56-60, F
@ShadowWolf marixsm is about internationalism and uniting all workers
Loopysoutherner · 56-60, F
@irishmolly72 yet I'll bet you don't even know what communism is
ShadowWolf · 31-35, M
@irishmolly72 Haha basiclly. Communism has caused the more death in the world than any ideology. Marxism is just communism being presented with a sugarcoated bow. Lenin loved Marx, read all his stuff, and look what happened to Russia. Marxisim is about forcing everyone into a collective controlled by a central power. No thanks.
Loopysoutherner · 56-60, F
@ShadowWolf thank you for proving me right by saying the same thing every right wing person says
ShadowWolf · 31-35, M
@Loopysoutherner You are a political/ideological minority even among your own country. Go away ya old hippie.
Loopysoutherner · 56-60, F
@ShadowWolf all your doing is further proving me right that you have no idea what Marxism and are basing your views on American fearmongering without doing your own research
ShadowWolf · 31-35, M
@Loopysoutherner Trust me we all have done research, and have made our own observations from Russia, China, Cuba, Venuzuela, North Korea, Vietnam. Socialism and the seizing of private property by the goverment is bad, and removing the free market, and religion are bad. It's right in Karl Marxs own writings regarding the "pillars of communisim" the man literally wrote it himself. Socialism has failed every time it's been tried. And often turns into a dictatorship, or some other form of oppression.
Loopysoutherner · 56-60, F
@ShadowWolf doing a bit of a Google search isn't research. Never said seize private property by the government. He said abolish private businesses and instead establish common ownership where the workers own the means of their production
Loopysoutherner · 56-60, F
@ShadowWolf the NHS was created under a socialist government and Britain had a socialist government in the 60s Robert owen was a famed socialist who improved the lives of his workers at New lanark in Scotland
ShadowWolf · 31-35, M
@Loopysoutherner I beg to differ. This is from your boy himself: https://laissez-fairerepublic.com/TenPlanks.html
ShadowWolf · 31-35, M
It clearly states seizing land. It also states the seizure of estates and inheritance. It also forces everyone on public transit controlled by the goverment.
ShadowWolf · 31-35, M
@Loopysoutherner Socialism is reverse class warfare. It's purpose and intent is to seize the property from "Lords and Ladys" and give it to the peasants. Or in Russian terms, the Bourgeoisie and the Proletariat.
Loopysoutherner · 56-60, F
@ShadowWolf sorry to dissapoint you but I've read the communist manifesto and he states abolishing inheritance yes, workers owning the means of production and having state power till communism is established then that state power would cease to exist as would any class divisions
Loopysoutherner · 56-60, F
@ShadowWolf no its to give workers control of their means of production in common ownership and establish a stateless society
ShadowWolf · 31-35, M
@Loopysoutherner Why should the state take what someone's family built over decades? Bullshit. Why should the goverment seize land? Bullshit. And that dissolution of state power never happens does it? Lenin and Stalin, Fidel Castro, The Kim family, Mao, Maduro. They never relinquished power. It never works. The business owners who've invested in the business own the business by the way. The workers are employed and are paid a wage.
Loopysoutherner · 56-60, F
@ShadowWolf marx believed in the workers smashing the state and group of delegates representing their own constituencies and be held for recall if they abuse their power. Those employers exploit their workers for surplus profit and if not for trade unions workers would forever be forced to do their jobs in horrendous conditions
ShadowWolf · 31-35, M
@Loopysoutherner Yup and it never works in practice. As pointed out to you by many people here on your post. Mao, Lenin, Stalin, all of them. It goes against human nature. Keep dreaming hippie.
Loopysoutherner · 56-60, F
@ShadowWolf worked well in new lanark under Robert owen. Worked well in England in the 60s.worked well by helping give workers the rights that are taken for granted today
Loopysoutherner · 56-60, F
@ShadowWolf workers owning the means of their production goes against their nature? How so?
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Loopysoutherner · 56-60, F
@ShadowWolf because I've pointed out when socialism has worked? Or because I've pointed out that you don't know anything about communism?