The Nathalie case

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Nathalie got the green light today for euthanasia. She's a 50 year old woman from Vilvoorde (Belgium) who got grabbed whilst jogging and then brutally raped 6 years ago. The only thing that perhaps will keep her going for now is a civil suit that is pending against her rapist who only got 5 years and has already applied for an early release from prison. Do you think that her rapist should be imprisoned for murder now, afterwards or never? Isn't in the final analysis brutal rape equal to murder?

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Magenta · F

No. While he should rot away in jail, and I'm sure is horribly traumatic for her, he is not responsible for her own choice to kill herself. That is on her.

gfantasy · 56-60, M

@Magenta Yes, but there's the precedent (in the USA) of the Michelle Carter case:
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/michelle-carter-found-guilty-encouraging-boyfriend-s-suicide-text-messages-n773306

In a similar way, it was the boyfriend's choice to kill himself, but she was considered guilty of making him kill himself... Different situation than the Nathalie case, but deals with the same issue of some else guilty for anyone taking their own life...

Magenta · F

@gfantasy Yes I remember that one. She was considered guilty of "encouraging" him to do so. And charged with involuntary manslaughter, not murder.

I see these two cases as different. She verbally (via text) goaded him plus had direct action that contributed to his death.

val70 · 51-55

@Magenta Would it be wrong to look at it rather from moral question? Is it morally right to give a person only 5 years for a brutal rape?

Magenta · F

@val70 Moral or not, it's far from right!
But that wasn't the question.

val70 · 51-55

@Magenta I know. What to do with a justice that isn't right any more? That's my puzzle