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@TangledUpInBlue Hospice experiences are interesting but NDEs are just woo.

@LeopoldBloom are they? I find them fascinating. I watched both my parents die and I’m an artist, so I find it part inspiration for my work but also as a way to process death. Hallucinations close to the time of death are also fascinating, especially the prevalence of seeing children. My father kept seeing two little boys with red hair not long before he passed. I didn’t know it was so common among the elderly close to their death until I looked into it.

@LeopoldBloom yep, they’re not death, are they?

@TangledUpInBlue Both of my parents mentioned seeing long-dead relatives shortly before they passed. My father, blind for years, complained about the housekeeper leaving the bedroom light on.

@Wiseacre No, they're not. We've never heard from anyone who died and stayed dead. It's impossible to tell if NDEs are memories that form before or after unconsciousness. It wouldn't be ethical to put someone in a fMRI machine and induce a NDE, but it would be interesting.

@LeopoldBloom it’s really strange.

@LeopoldBloom interesting article.

https://www.sciencefocus.com/the-human-body/what-is-it-like-to-die-the-reassuring-science-of-near-death-experiences

@TangledUpInBlue I first read about NDEs in Raymond Moody's book Life After Life which was one of the first popular treatments of the phenomenon. Since then I've read other accounts and am familiar with the so-called "proofs," like the Shoe on the Ledge, the Denture Man, and the Pam Reynolds case. These are more out of body experiences but the concept is the same - that human consciousness can persist and have experiences independently from the body. The problem is that these are anecdotal and not conducted under rigorous laboratory conditions. And the books about people dying and meeting Jesus or visiting hell or whatever come across as pure grift. I don't care if someone swears that they met their grandmother in heaven who told them where a long-lost piece of jewelry was, and they shocked their family when they went back and retrieved it. As Thomas Paine said, is it more likely that nature deviates from its course, or a man tells a lie?

Nevertheless this is a fascinating topic that deserves serious research as it could illuminate aspects of consciousness even if it does nothing to answer the question of what happens after we die.

@TangledUpInBlue I’ve run across most if not all of them- granted not a whole lot describing meeting religious figures and the tunnel of white light. A life review process, being shown how their impact on people in their lives have affected them. Being told information about the nature of reality as mainly by religious figures/deities/angels. Similar to those on psychedelics, similar stories…I’m just curious hear about what else it is in different way.