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missyann · 56-60
@Lila15 There are fraudulent organizations everywhere. Those that are should be reported. The PCC that I have been involved with are honest and ive up to their promises.
Most women know what a PCC offers and know that they won't receive information for an abortion. They shouldn't have too. Their purpose is to save the mother and her unborn baby. Those who come are desperate and want options other than abortion. They are not held hostage. They have the right to walk away.
If she can't find an abortion clinic this means there probably isn't one close and even if she was given a referral, she would have to travel anyway
Why should PCC have to provide abortion referrals Every PP doesnt provide referrals to adoption or PCC for motherhood. ? Their goal is to save babies and their operations are mostly donations PP is abortion. Thats how the make their money.
You said that a woman may not want to give up her offspring. Are you saying that sometimes its easier for a woman to end the life of her offspring than it is to give it life and give it the opportunity to have a beautiful life? I have never heard a woman say that she regretted choosing to give her baby life and choosing adoption. They have said later in their life that they wish that they had been in the position to be able to keep their baby. But never regretted giving it life. I have heard women say that they regretted their abortion.
How does anyone know that a child will go into foster care ? These children are already here. Are you saying that its better for a child who has already been born to have been killed ?
People usually do pay something for a child when they adopt. Attorney and yes sometimes the mother. This is not human trafficking
Most women know what a PCC offers and know that they won't receive information for an abortion. They shouldn't have too. Their purpose is to save the mother and her unborn baby. Those who come are desperate and want options other than abortion. They are not held hostage. They have the right to walk away.
If she can't find an abortion clinic this means there probably isn't one close and even if she was given a referral, she would have to travel anyway
Why should PCC have to provide abortion referrals Every PP doesnt provide referrals to adoption or PCC for motherhood. ? Their goal is to save babies and their operations are mostly donations PP is abortion. Thats how the make their money.
You said that a woman may not want to give up her offspring. Are you saying that sometimes its easier for a woman to end the life of her offspring than it is to give it life and give it the opportunity to have a beautiful life? I have never heard a woman say that she regretted choosing to give her baby life and choosing adoption. They have said later in their life that they wish that they had been in the position to be able to keep their baby. But never regretted giving it life. I have heard women say that they regretted their abortion.
How does anyone know that a child will go into foster care ? These children are already here. Are you saying that its better for a child who has already been born to have been killed ?
People usually do pay something for a child when they adopt. Attorney and yes sometimes the mother. This is not human trafficking
missyann · 56-60
@LordShadowfire Omg. I didn't say that the adoptive parents didn't care or that there was no care and thought that went into their decision. I just meant its not human trafficking. These child are not bought to sell or to be slaves. This conversation is going crazy
missyann · 56-60
@Lila15 That is a liberal issue I support 100%. I think we need government regulation especially with health. medical insurance, pharmaceutical companies and any medical facilities and charitable organizations that represent children to make sure that they are who they say they are.
That being said. You can't force charitable or religious organizations to offer specific services if they don't receive government funding like PCC. But should ensure that they are legitimate. Those who do the government has oversight
I'm not saying that there aren't any but I have never heard of PCC who deals with any human trafficking.
That being said. You can't force charitable or religious organizations to offer specific services if they don't receive government funding like PCC. But should ensure that they are legitimate. Those who do the government has oversight
I'm not saying that there aren't any but I have never heard of PCC who deals with any human trafficking.
Lila15 · 22-25, F
@missyann I don't think any PCC are involved in human trafficking, but what some adoption agencies do could be characterized that way. If a PCC is working with adoption agencies, they could be indirectly involved.
I can see how a woman who doesn't want to raise a child might also not want that child turned over to the adoption system, especially if she had first-hand knowledge of abuses.
I can see how a woman who doesn't want to raise a child might also not want that child turned over to the adoption system, especially if she had first-hand knowledge of abuses.
Lila15 · 22-25, F
@missyann What the agencies are doing may not necessarily be illegal. However, I think there should be controls on PCCs.
- clear advertising that they do not provide abortions
- require them to refer clients to abortion clinics if the client wants one
- impose minimum requirements for assistance after birth
Regulating the adoption industry is a different matter. There are real problems with it, not just limited to the U.S. Several people who adopted what they thought were orphans from other countries were surprised when the kids started asking when they could visit their parents, who were still alive. And then you have the scams run by Russian organized crime, where a couple adopts an "orphan," then the bio mom shows up later and says the kid was "kidnapped," but for a hefty fee, she will sign it over.
- clear advertising that they do not provide abortions
- require them to refer clients to abortion clinics if the client wants one
- impose minimum requirements for assistance after birth
Regulating the adoption industry is a different matter. There are real problems with it, not just limited to the U.S. Several people who adopted what they thought were orphans from other countries were surprised when the kids started asking when they could visit their parents, who were still alive. And then you have the scams run by Russian organized crime, where a couple adopts an "orphan," then the bio mom shows up later and says the kid was "kidnapped," but for a hefty fee, she will sign it over.
LordShadowfire · M
@missyann [quote]You can't force charitable or religious organizations to offer specific services if they don't receive government funding like PCC.[/quote]
On that we agree. I just wish religious organizations weren't out there forcing other groups to stop providing vital medical care.
On that we agree. I just wish religious organizations weren't out there forcing other groups to stop providing vital medical care.
missyann · 56-60
@LordShadowfire They are not forcing anyone to come to them. They just don't offer abortion information. PP ONLY offers abortion. They aren't giving information on PCC
LordShadowfire · M
@missyann You lie. Planned Parenthood offers a TON of services.
For anyone who ISN'T a lying sack of shit and is interested in the truth, here's a list of the services offered by Planned Parenthood.
https://www.plannedparenthood.org/get-care/our-services
For anyone who ISN'T a lying sack of shit and is interested in the truth, here's a list of the services offered by Planned Parenthood.
https://www.plannedparenthood.org/get-care/our-services
missyann · 56-60
@LordShadowfire I'm not going to fight with you and call names like children on a.play ground.
PP says that they offer all of.this but when we have called them and we have called different ones in different states and most of them are out of bc except IUDs which are essentially abortions. NOT one offered mammograms but ALL could recommend the closest abortion mill
PP says that they offer all of.this but when we have called them and we have called different ones in different states and most of them are out of bc except IUDs which are essentially abortions. NOT one offered mammograms but ALL could recommend the closest abortion mill
LordShadowfire · M
@missyann [quote]IUDs which are essentially abortions.[/quote]
What the actual FUCK!? Since when is an intrauterine device the same as an abortion? You just keep spewing lies.
[quote]I'm not going to fight with you and call names like children on a.play ground.[/quote]
I'm not calling you names. I'm saying you lie. You continue to lie even after I call you on it, and then you pretend to be the mature grown-up in this conversation.
What the actual FUCK!? Since when is an intrauterine device the same as an abortion? You just keep spewing lies.
[quote]I'm not going to fight with you and call names like children on a.play ground.[/quote]
I'm not calling you names. I'm saying you lie. You continue to lie even after I call you on it, and then you pretend to be the mature grown-up in this conversation.
missyann · 56-60
@LordShadowfire I am going to try to say my opinion when it is my opinion and fact when its a fact.
IUDs allow conception, and fertilization but not allow the life to implant. I do and some PL advocates do consider that an abortion. I realize that a lot of other people don't, but I do.
IUDs allow conception, and fertilization but not allow the life to implant. I do and some PL advocates do consider that an abortion. I realize that a lot of other people don't, but I do.
LordShadowfire · M
@missyann [quote]IUDs allow conception, and fertilization but not allow the life to implant.[/quote]
Liar.
Liar.
LordShadowfire · M
@missyann [quote]I'm not going to fight with you and call names like children on a.play ground.[/quote]
You're right. You're not going to do that stuff. You're going to twist people's words, distort the facts, and never actually flat out lie, but at the same time, you're absolutely lying.
You're right. You're not going to do that stuff. You're going to twist people's words, distort the facts, and never actually flat out lie, but at the same time, you're absolutely lying.