Why do you oppose allowing states to decide their own abortion laws?

@SW-User a woman's right to choose ... but we have laws that prevent people from using drugs. Isn't it also their bodies? Yes, we have laws that prevent people from doing evil things to their own bodies also. Furthermore, it is not just 'her body.' You feminists keep saying 'her body' but you are obviously overlooking the life of the heart-beating baby.

@RocktheHouse Yeah I am also agains laws that prohibit drug use.
You just get rid of cells and even if the fetus is slowly developing it's not a real human being yet.
We have an overpopulation and way too many unloved children and kids in poverty but people rather defend the rights of something that's not even fully alive.

@RocktheHouse It’s not a “baby,” it’s a fetus. Stop misusing words for their emotional effect. You wouldn’t like it if we called forced birth “slavery” and compared pro lifers to slave owners.

@RocktheHouse

There's a big difference between what you must [i]not[/i] do with your body and what you [i]must[/i] do with your body.
There are many things we're not allowed to do for various reasons of health, safety and civilization.
But when it comes to legislating what we [i]must[/i] do with our bodies, things that we must let happen to our bodies...that's an utter violation of bodily autonomy. Basically the most fundamental right anyone has.

As for why don't women who want an abortion just move? Does that strike you as a little over simplistic and more than a little privileged?

How easy is it to pick up your life and move it?
How easy is it if you're underage?
What about if you're on disability or simply earn minimum wage and don't have the stability to uproot your life and livelihood so that you can go get an abortion?

@SW-User @SW-User not even fully alive I'm sorry but your own words are contradiction it either is alive or isn't alive. If you destroy an eagle's eggs you've killed an eagle. If you destroyed sea turtle eggs you killed sea turtles and you will be charged for both of those crimes. It is alive and it has the propensity to become an adult. Just like if I take some batter throw it in a dish and put it in the oven it's going to be a cake. And if you take it out and you throw it across the room I'm going to say you ruined my cake. I have no problem with a woman going out and having a hysterectomy she doesn't have to worry about having any babies. I have no problem with a woman using birth control preventing her from getting pregnant. Also in every state it is still allowed to prescribe oral birth control after conception they can be taken all the way up to 6 weeks.

@dale74 well a fetus is slowly developing and is neither something that's dead nor something that is alive.
Sure you can call it murder of a future human being but that's silly.
Yeah but because sea turtles are a rare species and not for smashing an animals egg.

@SW-User

I'd disagree that it's not alive. It's alive, it's just not a person in any meaningful sense of the word.
It has less self-awareness than a grasshopper.
But even if it [i]were[/i] a person then the fact remains that no person has the right to make use of another person's body against their will and if they try, you are justified in preventing them from doing so by whatever means necessary.

@SW-User humans are just as rare species and yes a human is alive even from the moment of conception. Abortion was started as racist it was to eliminate minorities why don't you quote that Margaret Singer many times referred to orientals blacks Latinos and Jews as weeds that should be wiped out.

@Pikachu but an infant in a womb can feel pain when they perform an abortion and they rip off the arms the legs the torso in the head they don't give that child any kind of pain relief before they are ripped apart.

@SW-User look it up because yes they do feel pain

@dale74

1) Whether or not a fetus feels pain has no bearing on whether its rights supersede that of its host.

2) Depending on the stage of development a fetus' brain has not developed to the point where it can feel pain.
And at a stage where it can, this argument only suggests that anesthetic should be administered. Which in fact has already been implemented in some places.

@dale74 We are not rare our population is growing and growing and it's absolutely not alive from conception. It's alive after birth.

Using abortion as a way of ethnic cleansing is despicable but has nothing to do with what's the case now. Forced abortion is as terrible as forced birth.

@Pikachu I hate to say this but you are truly ignorant and the developmental stages of a child. You can argue till you're blue in the face and no matter how many times you want to try to convince yourself your argument is invalid and not true I don't care who told you won't you go ask a medical professional that isn't trying to talk people into getting an abortion to get the truth. Yeah if you got a planned Parenthood they're going to say oh the baby doesn't feel anything the baby's just a clump of cells it's kind of like buying a used car they tend to lie just to make the sale of the product and in this case it is the murder of a child.

@SW-User just means you bought the LIE and you're more than happy to murder a child and innocent child that has done nothing committed no crime. Now all of you that support abortion why don't you support the mental health care that the woman needs months weeks years after an abortion now once she has the abortion she's on her own you don't give her any kind of therapy or support. It is quite common for a person who is committed abortion to later commit suicide.

@dale74 fetus is capable of feeling pain after the 26th week of pregnancy

@dale74

Dale...you're not paying attention. Don't let your emotions cloud your ability to reason.

What i [i]said[/i] was that until a certain stage of development, a fetus' brain is not equipped to process pain.
There is a point where it [i]can[/i] and in such cases i'm fully in favour of administering anesthetic

But you've failed to address the main issue. The issue is not "does a fetus feel pain", the issue is "do the rights of a fetus supersede those of its host"

And the answer is no.

Whether or not it feels pain and even whether or not its a person makes no difference because [i]no person[/i] has a right to [i]any other person's body[/i] even if they need it, even if they will suffer without it.

Can you respond to that point?

@dale74 Well if you want to put it that way late term abortions are not ideal but sometimes necessary.
Could you provide studies for your claim that women who had abortions commit suicide?
I absolutely support free mental healthcare for women after an abortion. It's never an easy decision and some might need therapy.

@Pikachu I disagree though I think that the child's rights should supersede that of the mother unless the mother's life is in danger of death. Carrying and delivering a child is a process that has gone on since the dawn of animal existence. Carrying and delivering a child may be an inconvenience abortion is murder in the death sentence. In one instance someone is inconvenient in the other instance someone is murdered and killed.

@SW-User so why is heroin illegal then ?

@dale74

[quote] Carrying and delivering a child is a process that has gone on since the dawn of animal existence[/quote]

That's a naturalistic fallacy. The fact that it is natural has no bearing on the morality of forcing a woman against her will to do something with her body.

[quote] In one instance someone is inconvenient in the other instance someone is murdered and killed.[/quote]

I don't appreciate your attempts to downplay pregnancy as "inconvenient".
But let's say you need one of my kidneys to survive. It would only be "inconvenient" to me to give you one. Do you have a right to take it from me? Should the government be able to force me to give it to you since it will only inconvenience me and your life depends on it?

@AthrillatheHunt Cause it's a very toxic substance. I can understand why certain drugs are illegal. What is your point?

@SW-User I don't think it should be illegal to use but illegal to sell