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I support abortion rights. [I Am For Abortion]

Here are my top 5 reasons:
1.) A fetus lacks consciousness, and the mental capacity to be a person.
2.) Allowing women to choose makes them more equal to men.
3.) It gives women the freedom to pursue their dreams.
4.) Women who get abortions are less likely to end up in poverty or abusive situations.
5.) Legal abortion reduces poverty, crime, and other negative externalities.

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pianoplayingsteve · 31-35, M

Medical professionals recommended my parents abort me due to the fact that I’d have health conditions when born. I’m now a piano teacher, work for the ambulance service, run several businesses and am in a relationship with a degree educated lady, quite a lot for someone who ‘is not a life’. What a crappy way to view human life.

Razoreye001 · 31-35, M

@pianoplayingsteve Well for what it's worth I'm glad you are able to live the life you want, but one positive story doesn't represent the true problems, or hard life a woman can suffer in a society without access to abortion.

pianoplayingsteve · 31-35, M

@Razoreye001 Nah, sounds like you’d prefer it if the doctors killed me, and killed Andrea Boccelli

Spoiledbrat · F

When you were a fetus, he said. Now now. @pianoplayingsteve

pianoplayingsteve · 31-35, M

@Spoiledbrat right and if I was killed as a fetus I wouldn’t be here, that fetus was still me.

Spoiledbrat · F

You weren’t you yet then. That’s why it’s legal. @pianoplayingsteve

Razoreye001 · 31-35, M

@pianoplayingsteve In my honest opinion you were really lucky, but that isn't always the case, not even for most people. When an unplanned pregnancy happens, a lot of the time that child will be born into poverty, and the mother of that child will also become poorer as a result. I live by the philosophy that everyone should avoid bringing more suffering into the world. So that is why I am pro-choice.

pianoplayingsteve · 31-35, M

@Spoiledbrat if I wasn’t me, then I wouldn’t have had the DNA responsible for me growing into who I am now, neither would I have had the bodily functions required to live until birth.

pianoplayingsteve · 31-35, M

@Razoreye001 why was I lucky? I never stated what my conditions were, for all you know it could have been an easily treatable one.

Razoreye001 · 31-35, M

@pianoplayingsteve It sounds like you have a great career and love-life.

basilfawlty89 · 31-35, M

@pianoplayingsteve seeing as you're strawmanning, let's strawman you! Would you say a woman should carry a foetus to term even if it turns out if it develops into a child, that child will die of a painful cancer after birth?

Spoiledbrat · F

The key word is “grew” but I digress. I don’t have strong feelings about abortion rights. I always knew I wasn’t going to have an abortion or even an unwanted pregnancy. And I didn’t. So I know it’s doable. But some don’t care. @pianoplayingsteve

pianoplayingsteve · 31-35, M

Yes I was me. I had all the genetic information, information unique to me, which dictated how I would then develop. If I developed into something that had no relation to my generic content, then sure you could argue that I wasn’t me. But i developed just as my DNA was coded, there was no point in which my DNA became ‘actual human life’.@Spoiledbrat

pianoplayingsteve · 31-35, M

@basilfawlty89 if you think that I’m strawmanning despite making claims about me rather than just getting to your point, I won’t respond to your point.

basilfawlty89 · 31-35, M

@pianoplayingsteve nice cop out You strawmanned him by claiming he wants people like you a d Bocelli not to exist.

Let me ask you another one. If you were a woman and raped, would you carry the foetus to term? If you got AIDS and the foetus if it develops into a child will have AIDS?

pianoplayingsteve · 31-35, M

@basilfawlty89 well then what does he think should happen to fetuses of severely disabled people? Was it ‘they should live’?

basilfawlty89 · 31-35, M

@pianoplayingsteve before I even try to answer that, you need to answer my questions.

pianoplayingsteve · 31-35, M

@basilfawlty89 no I don’t need to answer your AIDS rape question. ‘Hey let’s take this incredibly rare circumstance and act as if it represents all instances of abortion’.

basilfawlty89 · 31-35, M

@pianoplayingsteve so you don't think women get raped now? You don't think AIDS is an issue? Buddy, I live in a country with high gender based violence and one of the highest rates of HIV infections. Tell me again how it's rare?

pianoplayingsteve · 31-35, M

Lol and you say I strawman@basilfawlty89

basilfawlty89 · 31-35, M

@pianoplayingsteve I'm not strawmanning though. You said it's rare. I live in South Africa. It's absolutely not rare here at all.

pianoplayingsteve · 31-35, M

@basilfawlty89 ‘you don’t think women get raped’. Apparently that is not strawmanning. And with that I’ve had enough today of seeing how stupid anons on the internet can be if you disagree with them.

basilfawlty89 · 31-35, M

@pianoplayingsteve you didn't clarify which of my scenarios were "unrealistic". Rape and AIDS happen often here. You refuse to answer a question.

I told you I was gonna strawman you, because you're strawmanning others. All this had shown me is because you could've potentially been aborted, you're against all abortion. Hence it's a reasonable assumption based in your non replies to say you're against abortion even when the woman or child would be at risk.

basilfawlty89 · 31-35, M

@pianoplayingsteve tl;dr lawyered.