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@JBird again...you're justifying what you want to do based on hypotheticals
JBird · F
@SW-User it's not hypothetical, it really happened to other girls. How can you be so ignorant?
DecepitconsDarkObsession · 41-45, F
@SW-User Have you ever been pregnant before? Have you had a child be pregnant before? You absolutely can not base a opinion on something you know nothing about. I don’t believe in abortions either. But as a woman I should have a choice. Everyone makes mistakes. Everyone is careless one time or another. If someone has an abortion as early as 4 weeks the baby is the size of a grain of rice and doesn’t feel anything. And don’t think for a second that is was an easy decision to make either. We are only human and we have grief too. Please don’t pass judgement, it’s not needed.
rckt148 · 61-69, M
Well I was one who gave stupid advice to a young girl
I told her from a medical standpoint if there is no brain ,there is no life
since that is the definition of a clinical death ,
but I didn't foresee the effects that would follow
Being forced by law to listen to the babies heart beat
It ruined her nursing career I thought it would save ,she started feeling ill all the time ,and no one was hammering her she committed murder ,no one knew except her and I .She never told the Dad .to this day she hasn't .
No one knows except me ,she never even told her Mom .
She dropped out of the RN program ,she said she couldn't sleep ,she kept hearing the babies heart beat every time she tried to sleep .
I ended up giving her meds that were prescribed to me that keep me from dreaming ,I used to suffer from service connected PTSD ,I relived to many deaths in my sleep ,so they do make meds for such a thing ,it helped
but I only had so many pills and she refused to go to the doctor for herself ,so she turned to alcohol .she is still drinking .
She later became pregnant again ,one she actually planned ,but miscarried
She felt it was a result of the one she felt she killed .
She has since tried to commit suicide several times ,God was punishing her
(no one rammed that down her throat either ,but she was raised in Church .
She finally had a son and she recently gave him some sound advice
Don't mess with a girl unless you are man enough to be the Dad if the birth control fails .
She was on birth control and she used a condom ,but still ended up pregnant
She was taking antibiotics for a bad tooth that had got assessed so she was warned that it would make birth control ineffective ,,hence the condom .
but it failed too (what are the chances ?)
She has since finally reached a point she is no longer suicidal ,but she is a drunk and a drug addict ,,it eases the pain she says ,and it still makes me feel I played a big part in how she turned out ,I try to encourage her ,I helped her go back to school ,she is a good nurse ,but she won't hold a job long .
You know who feels the guiltiest ? me for putting in my 2 cents where it didn't belong .
My brother had killed himself ,or should I say he did the deed ,I am the one who turned off the life support so they could harvest his organs ,,
The said he had no brain functions ,so clinically he was dead ,the only thing keeping him to appear to be alive was the machines .
I seen the skull scattered all through his brain ,so I know he would have passed on his own had it not been for the machines ,,but the no brain functions ,that stuck with me ,,and was the basis for me telling someone looking for justification for aborting a baby that it would be alright ,
But I couldn't imagine how it would effect her down the road ,even though I knew another lady who had an abortion and later regretted it too ,
I seen her break down more then once and cry and tell me how guilty she felt ,and like the first young lady I mentioned ,no one knew she was pregnant .
She aborted it as soon as she found out she was ,the Dad never knew .
So I get not everyone looks at it the same way .
My first wife had a perfect body but she hated condoms and birth control
So when she became pregnant ,her first response was "I don't want a baby messing up my body ,I want an abortion ,the last one ,she was cheating on me and was scared to death ,it was my cousins child ,she does look like him but to this day I have never wanted a DNA test ,she is and always will be my baby .but she was so scared ,she left me before the baby was born but I begged her back home ,assured her I didn't care ,I loved her and the baby ,
But 3 times I talked her out of an abortion ,,(I wish I had tried to talk the girl out of one too ,,but she was in college and unmarried )
We now have 6 grand kids ,my middle daughter has fostered over 25 kids
Taken from drug addict Moms that could not take care of themselves let alone the kids they keep cranking out ,,but all of them were adopted by parents that did want them and all of them are happy now ,they are all still very much a part of my /our family
So my advice to anyone is ,,unless its you ,,mind you're own business
I don't have a right to tell her she can't ,,but I sure as hell will never tell another girl its ok
If you are grown enough to have sex ,,the boy and the girl
You should be the ones old enough to make the choices
and abortion as an after birth control should not be one of them .
If you are grown enough to have sex ,you should know in advance condoms don't always work and there is always a possibility of creating a life ,
That is when they should have made the choice .are we willing to take the risk and the adult choices that come with it .
I have raised 3 of my grand kids ,,2 of them their Dad was killed when they were 3 and 5 ,,the other her Dad was just a dead beat that would rather go to jail then pay child support ,,He left my kid when he found out she was pregnant ,then her second child's Dad ran out on her too
So I raised their kids and I am disabled ,a disease eating my spine
They are healthy men ,just sorry ,and my grand kids are not the only kids they have that they don't support ,they should be chemically neutered and not be allowed to keep making babies they won't support .
So I can see both sides of the coin ,,
But I will never advise another female to abort ,or give her justification
Putting an unwanted baby up for adoption would have been a lot easier on her as to telling me many times when she is drinking ,,"I still hear its heartbeat ,I killed my child "
I don't know about other states ,but in Florida they make them listen to the heartbeat ,and stress this is a life ..are you sure you want to go through with this "
She did at the time ,but she has regretted it every since ,even to the point of trying to kill herself ,
I hate when people judge others too
But I am just as sick of hearing "its her body her choice "
The baby didn't get asked if it had one ,and I now believe
if it has a heart and its beating ,its as alive as the sperm cell that won the race to the egg that later becomes a child
I repent often for putting my 2 cents where I should have kept quiet
it was not me that had to live with what happened ,,she was
I told her from a medical standpoint if there is no brain ,there is no life
since that is the definition of a clinical death ,
but I didn't foresee the effects that would follow
Being forced by law to listen to the babies heart beat
It ruined her nursing career I thought it would save ,she started feeling ill all the time ,and no one was hammering her she committed murder ,no one knew except her and I .She never told the Dad .to this day she hasn't .
No one knows except me ,she never even told her Mom .
She dropped out of the RN program ,she said she couldn't sleep ,she kept hearing the babies heart beat every time she tried to sleep .
I ended up giving her meds that were prescribed to me that keep me from dreaming ,I used to suffer from service connected PTSD ,I relived to many deaths in my sleep ,so they do make meds for such a thing ,it helped
but I only had so many pills and she refused to go to the doctor for herself ,so she turned to alcohol .she is still drinking .
She later became pregnant again ,one she actually planned ,but miscarried
She felt it was a result of the one she felt she killed .
She has since tried to commit suicide several times ,God was punishing her
(no one rammed that down her throat either ,but she was raised in Church .
She finally had a son and she recently gave him some sound advice
Don't mess with a girl unless you are man enough to be the Dad if the birth control fails .
She was on birth control and she used a condom ,but still ended up pregnant
She was taking antibiotics for a bad tooth that had got assessed so she was warned that it would make birth control ineffective ,,hence the condom .
but it failed too (what are the chances ?)
She has since finally reached a point she is no longer suicidal ,but she is a drunk and a drug addict ,,it eases the pain she says ,and it still makes me feel I played a big part in how she turned out ,I try to encourage her ,I helped her go back to school ,she is a good nurse ,but she won't hold a job long .
You know who feels the guiltiest ? me for putting in my 2 cents where it didn't belong .
My brother had killed himself ,or should I say he did the deed ,I am the one who turned off the life support so they could harvest his organs ,,
The said he had no brain functions ,so clinically he was dead ,the only thing keeping him to appear to be alive was the machines .
I seen the skull scattered all through his brain ,so I know he would have passed on his own had it not been for the machines ,,but the no brain functions ,that stuck with me ,,and was the basis for me telling someone looking for justification for aborting a baby that it would be alright ,
But I couldn't imagine how it would effect her down the road ,even though I knew another lady who had an abortion and later regretted it too ,
I seen her break down more then once and cry and tell me how guilty she felt ,and like the first young lady I mentioned ,no one knew she was pregnant .
She aborted it as soon as she found out she was ,the Dad never knew .
So I get not everyone looks at it the same way .
My first wife had a perfect body but she hated condoms and birth control
So when she became pregnant ,her first response was "I don't want a baby messing up my body ,I want an abortion ,the last one ,she was cheating on me and was scared to death ,it was my cousins child ,she does look like him but to this day I have never wanted a DNA test ,she is and always will be my baby .but she was so scared ,she left me before the baby was born but I begged her back home ,assured her I didn't care ,I loved her and the baby ,
But 3 times I talked her out of an abortion ,,(I wish I had tried to talk the girl out of one too ,,but she was in college and unmarried )
We now have 6 grand kids ,my middle daughter has fostered over 25 kids
Taken from drug addict Moms that could not take care of themselves let alone the kids they keep cranking out ,,but all of them were adopted by parents that did want them and all of them are happy now ,they are all still very much a part of my /our family
So my advice to anyone is ,,unless its you ,,mind you're own business
I don't have a right to tell her she can't ,,but I sure as hell will never tell another girl its ok
If you are grown enough to have sex ,,the boy and the girl
You should be the ones old enough to make the choices
and abortion as an after birth control should not be one of them .
If you are grown enough to have sex ,you should know in advance condoms don't always work and there is always a possibility of creating a life ,
That is when they should have made the choice .are we willing to take the risk and the adult choices that come with it .
I have raised 3 of my grand kids ,,2 of them their Dad was killed when they were 3 and 5 ,,the other her Dad was just a dead beat that would rather go to jail then pay child support ,,He left my kid when he found out she was pregnant ,then her second child's Dad ran out on her too
So I raised their kids and I am disabled ,a disease eating my spine
They are healthy men ,just sorry ,and my grand kids are not the only kids they have that they don't support ,they should be chemically neutered and not be allowed to keep making babies they won't support .
So I can see both sides of the coin ,,
But I will never advise another female to abort ,or give her justification
Putting an unwanted baby up for adoption would have been a lot easier on her as to telling me many times when she is drinking ,,"I still hear its heartbeat ,I killed my child "
I don't know about other states ,but in Florida they make them listen to the heartbeat ,and stress this is a life ..are you sure you want to go through with this "
She did at the time ,but she has regretted it every since ,even to the point of trying to kill herself ,
I hate when people judge others too
But I am just as sick of hearing "its her body her choice "
The baby didn't get asked if it had one ,and I now believe
if it has a heart and its beating ,its as alive as the sperm cell that won the race to the egg that later becomes a child
I repent often for putting my 2 cents where I should have kept quiet
it was not me that had to live with what happened ,,she was
JBird · F
@ASLAN my mother had all the necessities she had when she had me, so she didn't had to. I don't blame her if she did if she wasn't ready, because I love my mother and I wouldn't like her to go through the hardships. I am sad your mother didn't do it, because world would be one less idiot😂 @MarmeeMarch same goes for you.
Btw, you sjw get uterus and give birth to a child, look after and raise it and then come back and argue with me
Btw, you sjw get uterus and give birth to a child, look after and raise it and then come back and argue with me
MarmeeMarch · M
Abortion is almost murder - if it is legal to perform abortions then it is not murder - if it is done where it is not legal then it is murder. See the definition of murder. They say murder is an unlawful killing esp. with malice. So its still qualifies as murder if it is illegal. I am not sure though it is exactly murder but seems to meet the definition.
MarmeeMarch · M
@JBird Yes - I am afraid that seems to be your intent - because you don't mention the health of the mother or her life being in jeopardy - all you were concerned with was / is how will the baby be raised. So I don't think you have the mother's health in mind. Just want freedom of judgment for an unwanted preggo.
DecepitconsDarkObsession · 41-45, F
@MarmeeMarch What if the mother has been ill since pregnant? Like for instance really high blood pressure which can be deadly for mother and fetus. Called Preeclampsia. Losing 15 lbs because she has no appetite. Catching the Flu in the process that almost kills both of them. Is with someone that doesn’t want the burden. Do you think it would be wise to put another grain of salt on the government system? You want more of your tax dollars spent on lost children of the world? If it wouldn’t be very safe for a mother to bare this child. Don’t you think she should have the right to decide?
JBird · F
To all the baby savers out there, https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_of_Savita_Halappanavar
Explain this. While you worry about the child, I hope you think about the mother too. Women should not seen just as baby factories, mothers have heart beats too. Only she have the right to take away her baby because she was the one who created it.
Again and again, I am stating abortion is not always an option but if it's necessary and mother has the consent, please do not stop them.
Explain this. While you worry about the child, I hope you think about the mother too. Women should not seen just as baby factories, mothers have heart beats too. Only she have the right to take away her baby because she was the one who created it.
Again and again, I am stating abortion is not always an option but if it's necessary and mother has the consent, please do not stop them.
bijouxbroussard · F
@JBird It’s easy for men. They can reproduce without shedding a drop of blood. The experience of creating life is [b]only[/b] pleasurable for them and they don’t risk their [b]own[/b] lives in doing so. It’s why the woman has to have the final word—it’s ultimately her health and her life on the line. Men don’t [b]die[/b] in childbirth.
Picklebobble2 · 56-60, M
JBird · F
@Picklebobble2 exactly. I am voicing for my female friends who had gone through the same situation. They were torn between the society's and their own opinion.
FreeSpirit1 · 51-55, F
JBird · F
Okay, this is from my mother, who give birth to three children, successfully raised them without a partner and never did an abortion in her life. I asked her what if I opted for an abortion, what would she say. As a woman who never had to go through abortion and always say her children were best thing that happened to her, she said raising a child is never an easy task and if the parents feel that they can't look after a baby or not able to go through pregnancy why do I have stop them. It's better to get an abortion than to bring the child into the world and make it suffer. This is opposed to all the men who never had to give birth not even once or raise them singlehandedly.
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dale74 · M
As a matter of fact if you are thinking about an abortion and you're willing to let someone else take care of your child the Catholic Church will pay all of the expenses
dale74 · M
@JBird I'm sorry you are so full of hate you even hate the idea of giving birth to a child a child that is part of you a child that has done no harm to anyone but yet you wish to have a doctor rip-it limb from limb out of your womb I'm sorry that you feel that way but I can tell you're not in a position to make any kind of a logical argument abortion for the fact of an aborted child is wrong in every case now if the mother is unhealthy and you are doing a procedure to save the mother's life and it results in an unfortunate abortion then that was not an abortion purely for the fact that you don't have a child that was a procedure that was done to save a mother's life.
bijouxbroussard · F
Agreed. The thing is, nobody will ever prevent abortions. They will only stop safe ones, where the girl or woman can live to someday have a wanted child. I honestly believe that no man who cares about women or girls would ban access to a safe abortion, especially in situations of rape or forced incest.
Spokeskitties75 · 46-50, M
We shouldn’t be killing unborn babies!!
[i]give them a chance to be stupid and then we get to shoot them!! 😂[/i]
[i]give them a chance to be stupid and then we get to shoot them!! 😂[/i]
windinhishair · 61-69, M
A Republican's responsibility to the unborn ends at birth.
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SkeetSkeet · 100+, F
JBird · F
@SkeetSkeet thousands of children are being raped or killed by their parents but no, we only care about the ones that are not even born.