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No one is coming to save you...

We have this hope that someday, someone will show up, someone who will understand us perfectly, fix what’s broken, motivate us when we’ve lost our fire, and carry us through every hard thing like they were born to rescue us. I realize life doesn’t work like that though. The most powerful transformation doesn’t come when someone enters our life, it comes when we finally show up in our own life.

It's hard to get up when we feel like giving up; it's hard to be our own source of motivation when everything around us feels heavy but every time we choose to try again, each time we show up in ourselves and for ourselves even in small ways I believe we become stronger and we become braver. And then before we even know it we become the hero that we've always needed.

Even though it won't be easy it is worth it all in the end because one day we will look back and realize that no one had to pull us out of the darkness because it turned out we were the one who lit the match.

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DeWayfarer · 61-69, M

Problem with this is it's arrogant to believe that anyone can totally help themselves. Like we each are our own gods.

"Physician, heal thy self"!
Greek:"Latre, therapeuson seauton"
Latin: "Medice, cura te ipsum"

MarkPaul · 26-30, M

@DeWayfarer Well, you can put yourself at the mercy of others in your quest to extract sympathy from others, but there isn't going to be much to gain from that kind of behaviour. It's not a matter of being one's own god, but more along the lines of using the talents, skills, and fortitude that comes with God's gift of free agency.

DeWayfarer · 61-69, M

@MarkPaul god has no agency in mental capacities in others. Therefore it's not free agency even if he exists.

Why I gave the Greek definition. It predates the new testament by 400 years

MarkPaul · 26-30, M

@DeWayfarer The point is, you need to be self-sufficient instead of hoping for the kindness of others to push you along. You might as well learn that sooner rather than later.

DeWayfarer · 61-69, M

@MarkPaul wrong. You wouldn't survive very long just by yourself.

That really is a fact.

MarkPaul · 26-30, M

@DeWayfarer How can you be so wrong, so many times, on so many topics? Well, I guess once again, I need to clean this up.

I'm not saying shutting out everyone and everything by being solitarily on your own in total isolation. That is extreme. I am saying, you need to stop hoping and wishing that someone else will come by to save the day for you when you can save the day on your own. Keep in mind, that might mean asking for help instead of waiting for someone to simply show up by manifesting it. It's a matter of living by your own wits.

DeWayfarer · 61-69, M

@MarkPaul I truly don't believe you understand just how dependent each of us are on each other.

We have a society because of that interdependence.

No society, no survival.

MarkPaul · 26-30, M

@DeWayfarer It sounds like you are perfectly fine with being a drain on society by have a low estimation (and possibly low self-esteem) on what you can do for yourself. You will be surprised at what you can accomplish if you are willing to put in the effort. Society doesn't have an obligation to rescue you.

DeWayfarer · 61-69, M

@MarkPaul

AI conversation that I just had...

Me:Suppose society didn't exist how long would limited groups exist without forming a society
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GPT-4o mini

The duration that limited groups could exist without forming a larger society would depend on several factors, including resource availability, group dynamics, and environmental conditions.

Resource Availability: If a group has access to sufficient resources (food, water, shelter), they might survive for a longer period. However, as resources become scarce, competition and conflict may arise, leading to fragmentation or the need to form a more organized society.

Group Dynamics: Small groups can function effectively for a time, especially if they have strong leadership and cooperation. However, as the group grows or faces challenges, the need for more structured social organization often becomes apparent.

Environmental Conditions: Harsh or changing environments can put pressure on groups to adapt. This might lead to the formation of more complex social structures as they work together to survive.

In general, small groups might survive for a few months to a few years without forming a society, but the pressures of survival, resource management, and social dynamics would likely push them toward some form of societal organization over time.

Historically, even small bands of humans have tended to develop social structures as they faced challenges and opportunities.

MarkPaul · 26-30, M

@DeWayfarer That's "nice." It has nothing to do with this conversation. Why not share the conversation you had with AI on the importance of the sun?

DeWayfarer · 61-69, M

@MarkPaul oh it's relevant.

You don't want to recognize just how limited you are!

MarkPaul · 26-30, M

@DeWayfarer It's actually irrelevant. I'm not sure you understand how co-dependent you are and how frightened you are about depending on yourself.

DeWayfarer · 61-69, M

@MarkPaul guy i have lived on my own in the mountains by myself for over twelve years!

Even then I was dependent on society!

MarkPaul · 26-30, M

@DeWayfarer That's "nice," but this isn't about cutting yourself off from society. You always go for the most extreme, most dramatic interpretation of every issue. It's about living within society, but learning how resilient you can be even within the space of asking for help.

DeWayfarer · 61-69, M

@MarkPaul society exists because of that dependency!

See the AI conversation!

MarkPaul · 26-30, M

@DeWayfarer The AI conversation is irrelevant to this topic. You literally were involved in a "real" discussion, then basically went off to have a discussion with yourself to convince yourself you're not nutty. You literally are proving my point.

DeWayfarer · 61-69, M

@MarkPaul You are only convincing yourself just how smart you think you are, when you are not smart at all.

Physician, heal thy self"!

MarkPaul · 26-30, M

@DeWayfarer I am giving you life coaching and you are choosing arrogance as your guide.

DeWayfarer · 61-69, M

@MarkPaul total opposite. In fact it's hard to believe you don't support Trump with the fallacies you come up with.

He supports that way of thinking. Everyone out for themselves, and he being the smartest of them all.

MarkPaul · 26-30, M

@DeWayfarer It would be a surprise if you weren't actually Cry-Baby-trump... you act like a know-it-all in the centre thinking you are a cut above everyone else while demonstrating you don't know what you are talking about, filled with too much pride to admit it... so you deny it.

And this is on you if that crazy AI warning gets tripped.

DeWayfarer · 61-69, M

@MarkPaul Never once have I said that I am the smartest. Even when confronted by a Trump supporter that claimed an IQ of 148.

His own language proved himself wrong about the importance of his intelligence.

He tripped the flag himself.

MarkPaul · 26-30, M

@DeWayfarer Well then check your behaviour... because you are acting like him, more and more.

DeWayfarer · 61-69, M

@MarkPaul Guy he tripped the flag himself.

It doesn't happen with me yet.

MarkPaul · 26-30, M

@DeWayfarer "Yet..." Indeed!