Have you had you clotshot yet?
Some kid on Twitter used that expression and I found it rather humorous. Personally I have not had a clotshot and I won't be getting a clotshot because clotshots cause more deaths than they prevent.
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@Katabasis As if he knows the answer.
hippyjoe1955 · 70-79, M
@Katabasis The records are far from accurate but you are using the wrong metric if you think the number of deaths per administered dose is the correct way to measure its success. The only thing that matters is how many deaths has it prevented vs how many deaths has it caused. According to VAERS there have been over 7000 deaths from the vax. No one can show that any deaths have been prevented by the jab.
Katabasis · 41-45, M
@hippyjoe1955 Lets take the U.K. as an example. 46 million people have been vaccinated there. The majority of which are Astra Zeneca vaccinations. The NHS has reported the sharp fall of Covid deaths coinciding with the use. Only 32 people of this 46 million have died because of issue following the vaccine.
hippyjoe1955 · 70-79, M
@gol979 Very true. The other side of the equation is that there is no statistical or scientific evidence that the vax has prevented one death from the disease. Yes the death rate dropped as the vaxes were administered but that coincides with the normal drop in death rate from any corona virus. Most viruses only last 1.5 to 2 years and then they lose their punch. Well almost 2 years on and the death rate dropped. Hmmm.
gol979 · 41-45, M
@hippyjoe1955 also the cdc has changed the cycles for the fraudulent tests to 28 for jabbed and left it at 45 for non gene altered humans
Katabasis · 41-45, M
@hippyjoe1955 Which guy was that?
Katabasis · 41-45, M
@hippyjoe1955 So there’s 46 million people walking around now absolutely fine, life returning to normal, back to making money and holidays. And you’re cobbling together posts about things you can’t fully explain in the hope you can frighten them.
To achieve what?
To achieve what?
OldBrit · 61-69, M
@hippyjoe1955 Your data appears to be incorrect... Or at least you're incorrectly interpreting it.
from https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/safety/adverse-events.html
which was retrieved on 16th July 2021 and updated on July 13th at the time of retrieval.
Finally in the UK the estimate is over 10,000 deaths prevented through vaccination, and that estimation was made in April long before our infection rates hit their current levels.
Source - https://www.gov.uk/government/news/covid-19-vaccines-have-prevented-10-400-deaths-in-older-adults published 8th April 2021 retrieved 16th July 2021
from https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/safety/adverse-events.html
which was retrieved on 16th July 2021 and updated on July 13th at the time of retrieval.
Thrombosis with thrombocytopenia syndrome (TTS) after Johnson & Johnson’s Janssen (J&J/Janssen) COVID-19 vaccination is rare. As of July 12, 2021, more than 12.8 million doses of the J&J/Janssen COVID-19 Vaccine have been given in the United States. CDC and FDA identified 38 confirmed reports of people who got the J&J/Janssen COVID-19 Vaccine and later developed TTS. Women younger than 50 years old especially should be aware of the rare but increased risk of this adverse event.
So only 38 confirmed deaths through clotting.Reports of death after COVID-19 vaccination are rare. More than 334 million doses of COVID-19 vaccines were administered in the United States from December 14, 2020, through July 12, 2021. During this time, VAERS received 6,079 reports of death (0.0018%) among people who received a COVID-19 vaccine. FDA requires healthcare providers to report any death after COVID-19 vaccination to VAERS, even if it’s unclear whether the vaccine was the cause.
So the 7,000 you quote are all reports of death who have recently received a vaccine. However there is no direct proven link with causality. Finally in the UK the estimate is over 10,000 deaths prevented through vaccination, and that estimation was made in April long before our infection rates hit their current levels.
Public Health England (PHE) analysis indicates that the COVID-19 vaccination programme prevented 10,400 deaths in those aged 60 and older in England up to the end of March, an additional 4,300 since the previous update.
From 8 December 2020 to the end of March 2021, over 15 million vaccine doses were given to adults aged 60 and over. The analysis compared the observed number of deaths with the number of deaths that would have been expected if the vaccine hadn’t been given during this time period. To allow for the time taken to develop an immune response to vaccination, the analysis assumed it would take 31 days before the effect of vaccination on deaths is observed.
Using this method, PHE estimates that around 10,400 deaths were prevented to the end of March – 9,100 in those aged 80 and over, 1,200 in those aged 70 to 79 and 100 in those aged 60 to 69.
Expected deaths with coronavirus (COVID-19) were estimated using real-world data on how effective the vaccines are at preventing death and vaccine uptake.
This analysis takes into account the direct effects of vaccines, there is now increasing evidence that vaccines help to reduce transmission, therefore it is likely that an even higher number of deaths will have been prevented by the vaccination programme.
From 8 December 2020 to the end of March 2021, over 15 million vaccine doses were given to adults aged 60 and over. The analysis compared the observed number of deaths with the number of deaths that would have been expected if the vaccine hadn’t been given during this time period. To allow for the time taken to develop an immune response to vaccination, the analysis assumed it would take 31 days before the effect of vaccination on deaths is observed.
Using this method, PHE estimates that around 10,400 deaths were prevented to the end of March – 9,100 in those aged 80 and over, 1,200 in those aged 70 to 79 and 100 in those aged 60 to 69.
Expected deaths with coronavirus (COVID-19) were estimated using real-world data on how effective the vaccines are at preventing death and vaccine uptake.
This analysis takes into account the direct effects of vaccines, there is now increasing evidence that vaccines help to reduce transmission, therefore it is likely that an even higher number of deaths will have been prevented by the vaccination programme.
Source - https://www.gov.uk/government/news/covid-19-vaccines-have-prevented-10-400-deaths-in-older-adults published 8th April 2021 retrieved 16th July 2021
hippyjoe1955 · 70-79, M
@OldBrit Keep trying. You seem to have trouble finding the statistics. BTW why are you defending big pharma and Donald Trump?
OldBrit · 61-69, M
@hippyjoe1955 I don't have any problem finding the stats - look at my direct quoted sources That is what any researcher does btw - give a direct link to their sources... erm... where's yours?
I'll never defend Trump - btw Pfizer never took any Warpspeed money go look at their press releases on LinkedIn etc.
I worked in Pharma R&D for 20 years so I am happy to defend my colleagues work. I know the effort and dedication they put in. After that I worked for many years at a research university with an attached hospital partnership again where dedicated researchers were unstinting in their efforts to provide live saving/prolonging/improving treatments.
I'll never defend Trump - btw Pfizer never took any Warpspeed money go look at their press releases on LinkedIn etc.
I worked in Pharma R&D for 20 years so I am happy to defend my colleagues work. I know the effort and dedication they put in. After that I worked for many years at a research university with an attached hospital partnership again where dedicated researchers were unstinting in their efforts to provide live saving/prolonging/improving treatments.
OldBrit · 61-69, M
@gol979 In UK there are two death figures.
One is the daily total - that is any death of anyone who in the previous 28 days had a positive PCR test - btw go read the BMJ articles on the test accuracy which help explain they are very active in positive results btw.
However you're right someone hit by a truck will be in that list if they had just come out of isolation.
However the National Office for Statistics then trawl through all death certs and create a number that is where COvid19 is on the death certificate as the main or contributory cause of death. Btw - that figure is normally higher as many die without having had a test, this was esp true when majority were in very elderly population who'd express desire to not go into hospital for treatment etc. (living wills etc.)
So the NOS figure is the number of "From" - but it is higher than the snapshot instant daily "with" number.
One is the daily total - that is any death of anyone who in the previous 28 days had a positive PCR test - btw go read the BMJ articles on the test accuracy which help explain they are very active in positive results btw.
However you're right someone hit by a truck will be in that list if they had just come out of isolation.
However the National Office for Statistics then trawl through all death certs and create a number that is where COvid19 is on the death certificate as the main or contributory cause of death. Btw - that figure is normally higher as many die without having had a test, this was esp true when majority were in very elderly population who'd express desire to not go into hospital for treatment etc. (living wills etc.)
So the NOS figure is the number of "From" - but it is higher than the snapshot instant daily "with" number.
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