If the government told you the only safe way to shop was on a pogo stick because science. Would you?

@exexec Too Funny!!!! There is zero evidence masks do anything beyond making the wearer sick. TBH no one really knows how the virus is transmitted. Some say through the air and others say through surface transfer some say both. Some say other.

@hippyjoe1955 What an idiotic statement.

@exexec Nope. A factual statement based on statistical analysis. You should try it some time. Its science something you seem to lack.

@hippyjoe1955 As a safety engineer who reviews scientific literature I believe I am qualified to state my position.

@exexec Bwahahahahahahahahahaha.. You claimed to be what you clearly are not. If you were to wear a mask what kind would you wear to prevent a viral infection? Here is a hint. In viral labs they don't wear masks. They wear pressurized 'space suits'. No mask works against a virus. Even the surgical masks are not meant to stop viruses. The fact is no mask seals sufficiently against the face. Even a fit test mask with replaceable cartilages won't stop a virus. Now go do some real safety analysis.

@hippyjoe1955 [quote]There is zero evidence masks do anything beyond making the wearer sick. [...] There is zero evidence masks do anything beyond making the wearer sick.[/quote]
Except there is about reducing covid-19 shedding, and plenty, and zero about making the wearer sick considering doctors have been wearing them for several hours a day for decades lmao.


Face Masks Considerably Reduce Covid-19 Cases in Germany
[https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.06.21.20128181v1]

Face Masks Considerably Reduce COVID-19 Cases in Germany: A Synthetic Control Method Approach
[https://www.iza.org/publications/dp/13319/face-masks-considerably-reduce-covid-19-cases-in-germany-a-synthetic-control-method-approach]

Universal Masking is Urgent in the COVID-19 Pandemic: SEIR and Agent Based Models, Empirical Validation,Policy Recommendation
[https://arxiv.org/pdf/2004.13553.pdf]

Visualizing the effectiveness of face masks in obstructing respiratory jets
[https://aip.scitation.org/doi/10.1063/5.0016018]

Community Use Of Face Masks And COVID-19: Evidence From A Natural Experiment Of State Mandates In The US
[https://www.healthaffairs.org/doi/10.1377/hlthaff.2020.00818]

If you want more, these are just a few.

Also the mechanism of infection is known, including how it enters in cell via ACE2 binding.

@Elessar For every study you produce saying masks are the wonder cure I can find one that disputes the findings. Sadly covid was never about science. It was always about politics. BtW that was a real nice bit of gobbly gook you posted. Too bad you don't realize it has nothing to do with masks. Masks, in order to work must provide a complete barrier to the virus. No filtration type mask can do that.

@hippyjoe1955 Link some of these disputes then. Wanna bey they're not from scientific, but political sources?

Masks reduce the droplets output and distance, and as consequence the chance of infecting.

Similarly, try taking a piss with your pants on, it'll still pass through but wanna bet it won't go as far as if your dongle was free? xD

@Elessar Do your own research. Oh I forgot Encyclopedia Moronica is decades out of date.

@hippyjoe1955 The research is linked above, maybe take time to actually read it, but I doubt you're capable.

@Elessar The research above agrees with your point of view. It proves nothing. Even the Mayo clinic says that wearing masks are not effective. Social distancing and hand washing being more important than masks. The fact is no filter type mask can stop the spreading of viruses. Most masks were never designed to stop the spread of viruses. Cloth masks are a joke. They are simply too porous. Ditto surgical masks that prevent the spreading of large particles but not viruses. The thicker masks must be fit tested and most of those have a release so the air you exhale escapes your mask without filtration at all. Dust masks are not sealed. Go to a virology lab and see what kind of mask the workers wear. Here is a hint. NONE. They wear a pressurized 'space suit' that completely isolates them from the virus. It is pressurized so if a breach in the fabric occurs the air will push the virus out of the breach and not allow it to enter.

@hippyjoe1955 Masks are meant to block droplets, not virions. Countries like mine were masking is compulsory since April, guess why, are in a much better epidemiological situation than those where people feel too entitled to wear them.

@Elessar there is no proof that masks work as you suppose they do. Epidemiological studies must eliminate all that variables and with a virus you can't do that. You don't even know how many people are naturally immune to the disease or if the virus has mutated sufficiently or....

@hippyjoe1955 Can you read, seriously? In particular:

Visualizing the effectiveness of face masks in obstructing respiratory jets
[https://aip.scitation.org/doi/10.1063/5.0016018]

There's even practical evidence..

Face Masks Considerably Reduce COVID-19 Cases in Germany: A Synthetic Control Method Approach
[https://www.iza.org/publications/dp/13319/face-masks-considerably-reduce-covid-19-cases-in-germany-a-synthetic-control-method-approach]

@Elessar Can you understand that coincidence does not equal causation? Too Funny

@hippyjoe1955 Ah so for you if you take a piss with your pants on and you can't reach the same range as you would without, it's not because of the pants but because of a "coincidence"? Maybe God having a positive bias towards countries that decided to mask, and so lets them live longer, I don't know?

Too funny! (cit. A covidiot I met online)

@Elessar If you think resperated viruses is the same as a stream of piss I can see how you get so confused. They are not even close. Let's uses the piss analogy. You wet your pants. Or you pee into the room. Does it stink less or more having done it in your pants. You decide not to change your wet pants for a few hours and continue to walk through the building. Are more or less people going to get a whiff of what you did? Now before you make a complete fool of yourself go do a little investigating and learn about masks. Their composition, their classification, their protection ranges. Then get back to me.

@hippyjoe1955 We're speaking about droplets, not a virus alone. If you don't even know what a droplet is, maybe avoid making fun of yourself trying to argue about things you don't understand. This virus out of a droplet isn't a matter of concern, it's not measles ffs, we'd be all equally affected if it was, instead there are countries that are almost covid free, thanks to mask and low prevalence of idiots.

But the point of the analogy is about range (surface you contaminate) and not the fact that you still contaminate the room. Can you get it that if everyone contaminates a larger range by not wearing a mask, the chances of infecting are higher, or?

I know probably better than you about them, in particular why you're suggested at this point in time to wear masks and not respirators.

Open those links before opening your mouth, maybe.

@Elessar Viruses are not droplets. You seem to have no idea how small they are. Too funny!!! Try 125 μm. Pretty tiny. Ever worn a surgical style mask to do drywall? You still breathe in drywall dust wearing one. Now if a mass of drywall dust of 7000 μm can walk around a surgical mask without problem what do you think the chances are a corona virus can do the same?

@hippyjoe1955 Exactly, covidiot. But SARS-CoV-2 spreads *through* droplets. The more you filter, the lesser the chances of infecting others.

Again, open those links before opening your mouth, maybe.

@Elessar Except we are not sure how it is spread and wearing a mask is not going to stop the spread and may in fact increase the rate of spread. Silly people like you love your government propaganda. too funny!!!

@hippyjoe1955 With "we", you intend all you covidiots that graduated from the university of the road?

Droplets are a major way of transmitting it, reducing that (note I said reduce, not eliminate) already helped considerably over here.

There isn't a single body who denies the usefulness of masks at preventing the spread at this point in time, except for conspiracy morons who all vote for the same faction, guess who's politicised and brainwashed here 🤣

@Elessar There are a lot of them that deny it. Even Dr Fauci disagreed with wearing them. He wears one in front of the camera but is seen taking his off the minute the camera shuts off. There is no benefit for the wearer to wear a mask. There are health risks for the wearer in wearing a mask.

@hippyjoe1955 The king's are up there, but keep ignoring actual research and make fun of yourself, I guess.

So many health risks that doctors wear them 10+ hours a day every day, and this policy has been ongoing for decades, and no one worldwide experienced anything. The only problem is that some people especially in some age ranges are eternal spoiled childrens and asking them to cover their infested front hole is too much of a bother.

A $700 fine whenever you're caught out of home in either indoors and/or crowds without one, and I bet you'd wear them without raising any concern whatsoever lmao (in fact here they did and it worked)

@Elessar The doctors wear them for other people's protection because, believe it or not doctors deal with a lot of sick people. Did you know that the doctor also changes masks when interacting with every new patient? What's more the doctor also disposes of the used masks using special sanitary methods. How many times a day do you change your mask?