First of all, no atheists believe something came from nothing. Secondly, it's you who believe in such shit since you believe God created universe from nothing and God himself had no creator. Congratulations, you proved yourself as ignorant.
@hippyjoe1955 so you're saying they never admitted but you assume they would. You're really a special kind of stupid, aren't you? If they don't want to admit, it means they know it's not true. Of course, you aren't 'intellect' enough to understand that.
@JBird Obviously not as stupid as you. If you have any intellectual honest you would admit that materialism is a fools game. There is no explanation for existence in materialism. The stars burn for a time. What was before that time? What will be after that time. The universe would seem to be expanding. How big was it before it started expanding and what started the expansion. Why is there such a uniformity of intergalactic temperature? Things that indicate that there is Something way beyond the material universe that is directing things and preserving things and allowing things to exist.
@hippyjoe1955 [quote] Obviously not as stupid as you. [/quote] You want atheists to believe that universe come from everything even they don't. Does that sound genius to you?
@hippyjoe1955 [quote] If you have any intellectual honest you would admit that materialism is a fools game. [/quote] I never said anything about materialism or the fact that universe comes from nothing.
[quote] The stars burn for a time. What was before that time? What will be after that time. [/quote]
Heard about black hole?
[quote] Things that indicate that there is Something way beyond the material universe that is directing things and preserving things and allowing things to exist. [/quote] I have said this before. Not one time but numerous times. But you went ahead and fixated in the idea that atheists believe in nothingness and argued with yourself for no reason.
@hippyjoe1955 no, they don't. You want them to believe that because for once in your boring, miserable life you want to disprove them. 🤣🤣🤣 Your whole life is dedicated on hating people who don't share your beliefs in order to establish yours.
@hippyjoe1955 you asked what happens when a sun burns out. If you heard of black hole or supernova, maybe you wouldn't ask the question. Maybe you should try again starting with the lifecycle of a star. 🤣
@JBird Actually a black hole is not the result of a burnt out sun. Most suns don't have enough mass to form a black hole. Nice of you to show your lack of science again.
@hippyjoe1955 https://www.nasa.gov/audience/forstudents/5-8/features/nasa-knows/what-is-a-black-hole-58.html Unfortunately that's not what Nasa has to say. Maybe you should relearn your science instead of blaming others of your lack of knowledge on science. Nice of you to show your ignorance.
@JBird NASA for students? Bwahahahahahaha. And you expect me to take you seriously? Do you know what a black hole is? Here is a clue. It is the result of a very massive star or group of stars that collapse in on themselves forming a gravity well so deep even light can not escape it. The average star such as the sun will simply become a black bit of black mass that remains in frigid space after it goes through all its phases. It simply doesn't have the mass required to form a black hole.
@hippyjoe1955 [quote] It is the result of a very massive star or group of stars that collapse in on themselves forming a gravity well so deep even light can not escape it. [/quote] And yet you have no shame to copy nasa students site's sentence. Who are you kidding with?
[quote] The average star such as the sun will simply become a black bit of black mass that remains in frigid space after it goes through all its phases. It simply doesn't have the mass required to form a black hole. [/quote]
You're saying? Blackhole is one of the typical phase in the lifecycle of a star. A star is a ball of hot gases and contain enough solar and magnetic energy enough to cause a black hole when it collapses itself. It doesn't simply become a black mass 'rigid' in the space. Who told you or is it your made up belief? I would like to an explanation that says that not all stars goes through black hole phase. Don't twist the words to hide your embarrassment
@JBird I guess you simply don't understand physics. To form a black hole takes a star about 20 TIMES as massive as the sun. Our sun will go black but not form a black hole.
@hippyjoe1955 I guess you didn't read my part or the links I shared. Every star expand to massive state to form a black hole or at least supernova. Anyway you got the answer as to what happens when a star burn out. Didn't understand why do you have to ask that if answer is right in front of you.
Now about universe coming out of nothing, no atheists ever said that or believe in that. That's your part. You believe that God created universe out of nothing.
@JBird Mass doesn't increase without adding more mass. Expanding matter does not add mass. A kilogram of water at 4 degrees C is smaller than a kilogram of water at -4 degrees C and much much smaller than a kilogram of water at 120 C. However the mass (1 kg) remains the same.
@JBird Yes the mass cools and collapses. If there is sufficient mass present it may form a black hole. Our sun does not have enough mass no matter how much or how little space it occupies. You really need a lesson in physics. Too Funny!!!
@hippyjoe1955 I said every star would go through at least red giant. You said it will stay as a black mass (I said supernovae but I was wrong). It doesn't. Here's an explanation on what happens when sun dies out.
You fixated on black hole because that was the only thing you found controversial. You're too funny. 😂😂 Sadly your so called knowledge in physics doesn't make you understand what atheists believe or not believe.
Now what was the thing with materialism and time line again?
@JBird You brought up the black hole and you were wrong on that too. Not all stars will form black holes which are a completely different phenomena that a cold dark mass. However the life cycles of stars point to my contention of something far beyond material that created everything we see and think we understand. (understanding seems very limited on your behalf). Since the stars began what started them?
