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Play fighting with your teen daughter?

As a man, a father, should you play fight with a teen daughter? How far is too far?

I was at a friends house a while back. The father's step daughter was about my age, 16 at the time. They began play fighting, he pushed her into a corner and she began to look uncomfortable. He got rougher and rougher, shoving her, punching at her arms and sides. Not hard enough to bruise but hard enough to hurt. I said that wasn't appropriate and everyone in the room stopped to look at me. The step father asked me why. I didn't have an answer at the time other than "because she's a girl" but I think I have a better answer now, especially seeing the path his daughter has taken. Obviously everyone in the room took his side, saying just because shes a girl doesn't mean she can't do those sorts of activities.

My issue wasn't so much that she's a girl, but that he was taking advantage of her obvious disadvantage. Her discomfort. She fought back like a scared little child. Yet he kept pushing further.

I would change my answer to this:
Because it teaches her that it's okay for a man to hit a woman. Play fighting, especially in relationship, the way they were 'playing' can easily turn to abuse. She was uncomfortable. That was clear. He kept going though. Teaching her that her discomfort is irrelevant.

Now, we are in our 20s. She has a gangbanger for a boyfriend and a child with this man. She never sees or talks to her family anymore because he won't let her. He'll come up with every excuse as to why she shouldn't talk to them or visit with her daughter. The police knocked down their front door at one point, and daddy-o (who is 20 years older than her, might I add) was arrested for drug trafficking.

I distanced myself from that family. Trouble is what they are in all honesty. Good people though, just made bad decisions all around.

What is your opinion?
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BlueVeins · 22-25
I generally like play-fighting as a norm and think it has a strong roll in familial relations, but it's definitely a fragile thing when it's a father and a teenage daughter, and punching should probably never be a component of play-fighting. I'd say the biggest factor in whether or not it's acceptable should be whether or not both parties could safely end it with their words without any particular fear of being judged for it. That would seem to solve the whole... teenage girls being uncomfortable part. They sound like weirdos.
ThePerfectUsername · 70-79, M
I'd much rather the girl had been happy enough that she'd feel entirely comfortable with the notion of wrestling her dad and that he'd have been adult enough to allow her to win. What you've described is emotional abuse intended to achieve nothing but to make his daughter feel distinctly inferior.
Steve42 · 56-60, M
I disagree. You only learn to defend yourself from practice. I think you just admited to violating terms of service by lying about your age.
ThePerfectUsername · 70-79, M
You're right. He had acknowledged it, but I was reading from the top down and hadn't seen the apology when I posted. Sorry @Steve42. It's been a long day and I pounced unnecessarily. @BoobooSnafu
@ThePerfectUsername ugh yeah🙄 😏... Done that myself 😁...

But.. *tips hat* kudos Man... Like your courage and grace 👍
I don't think the play fighting itself was the issue, but that he kept going when she was clearly uncomfortable. He took advantage of her being smaller and weaker than him.

It's supposed to be fun. You should never fear losing or actually getting hurt.
JupiterDreams · 31-35
I get what you're saying. Maybe he didn't realize that what she once enjoyed doing was no longer of interest?

Like, maybe he was oblivious that she didn't care for it anymore but didn't want to risk upsetting him.

I don't think that would've been what caused her down that path though, unless all the people in her life (specifically men) were bringing her down and disrespecting her boundaries
GlitterBug · 22-25, F
Maybe you're right. Her brother never really went too far in my opinion, from what I saw. Could be I just don't have the full picture. @JupiterDreams
SW-User
No stepfather is fighting my kids.
MartinTheFirst · 26-30, M
@SW-User 😂
SW-User
@MartinTheFirst I mean come on lol wtf
MartinTheFirst · 26-30, M
@SW-User yes that story is freaking weird lol
Yeah, best you stay away from that effed up family. Poor decisions will lead to a messed up life....sadly. 😖
Tatsumi · 31-35, M
I would have to see it. And I can't discount confirmation bias on your end, ya know, since everyone else was chill with it.

Just sayin', but play fighting has worked out pretty well for me, and the chicks I've been with. Insofar as the advent that men should never playfight with women goes, I have to reject that idea. And I haven't hit any women that weren't asking for it.

Lul. I mean literally asking for it. Within reason.

We let our kids play with toy guns, but they still know there's a difference between pretend shooting someone and actually murdering someone, no? Degree matters.

Alternatively, a different woman may have not been taught tbat her discomfort didn't matter, but that discomfort exists, and she has experience with it.

But I dunno, maybe that was a causal factor in her choosing a gangbanger.

Either way, you're prolly right to keep away from that kind of craziness.
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xmedleft · 56-60, M
In general I think a lot of parents don't think about the messages they send. Even in this case... he was called upon (by you) to contemplate what he was demonstrating and decided to take a duh-affront approach instead of considering the message. Right then and there he could have backed off and thought about what to tell her in terms of "When we play-fight like that I'm hoping to see you muscle up... turn and stand your ground, I want you to grow up like that..." Nope, too much thinky think for Americans.
Montanaman · M
I totally agree with you 👍💯%
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MartinTheFirst · 26-30, M
as long as you don't get turned and no one judgemental sees.

 
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