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Atheists, how can the world begin from absolute nothing?

How can something generate from absolute nothing? I don't buy the big bang theory as something would have to cause that, maybe you would say it was gasses.
As0if · 26-30, F
So you really think that some almighty ghost spirit whatever made all of this? Yikes
Andy69 · 51-55, M
[@816152,As0if] That is simply because you have not personally experienced it and I understand and respect that but as a matter of fact my family, our friends and I have, we witnessed phenomena that defied logic, rational and scientific explanation that left us all in no doubt it's real, in fact,as I have said, it convinced a skeptic and a non believer ! if ghosts (Demons) exist, and I know for a fact they do, I have absolute conviction of it, then surely God must exist as some form of spiritual energy, but of course, he does not seem to intervene with the worlds troubles, maybe that would make him less of a God and we would expect him to save us from ourselves at all times without making any effort at all to bother, making us all lazy Christians or atheist, even Darwin denounced his evolution theory before he died, I mean, why do apes not become extinct like the Dodo if we evolved from them?
Mguinm · 51-55, F
[@1003495,Andy69] I too have experienced what you have plus good (angel) as well as demonic spirits. I have witnesses also. I'd love to share stories with you sometime.
Andy69 · 51-55, M
[@23013,Mguinm] Thank you indeed for your very welcome comment, yes, please do share with me your personal experiences.
ThePerfectUsername · 61-69, M
You might as well ask how can god come into being from nothing. And the answer of course is that he didn't, he came into being due entirely to the fertile imagination of human beings. And just because scientists don't yet understand everything and/or can't find a way to explain it that overly superstitious idiots can understand is no good reason to argue with it. If you prove that god exists first I'll prove how the big bang was all down to an exploding burrito.
Andy69 · 51-55, M
[@420556,ThePerfectUsername] I don't think people believe in things simply without very good reason to do so, I for one didn't accept things so blindly without asking question, took me two years to ask Jesus into my life. As for you calling people idiots, what an incredibly arrogant assumption to think you have the authority to judge peoples sanity without justification or qualification or without knowing them personally. I have met quite a number of intellectual and sophisticated people who are respectable and have a stronger faith than me, they must have more reason than me to firmly believe. That's all it is ''Faith'' We all choose to believe in something without evidence, for example, they found no evidence on Cliff Richard when police searched his house yet people who never met him already made up their minds that he is guilty.
Paliglass · 41-45, F
[@1003495,Andy69] yeah, it's pure faith. There is no rymn or reason to faith, you either have it or you don't.

Which then comes to the idea they teach in seminary school that people are chosen or not by God. That God infact chose the apple to be eaten and we are all predestined to a side without choice. That the concept of free will is nearly a concept.

So to pass judgement on an atheist is also to pass judgement on God's divine plan of which mear mortals are unable to comprehend.

Didn't mean to go that way I what I wrote, it just sort of happened lol
ThePerfectUsername · 61-69, M
I had jesus in my life for 45 years before I cottoned on it was all a bunch of deceit and mass hysteria. There is no god, there's only human beings choosing to be either kind or cruel to each other and no amount of blind faith in an all powerful entity you believe to be on your side will ever change that fact. [@1003495,Andy69]
Chevy454 · 41-45, M
Waaaaayyyyy more believable than the whole god(creator) thing.
Miram · 26-30, F
[quote]I don't buy the big bang theory as something would have to cause that[/quote]

This is crazy. The big bang theory never says [i]nothing happened. or there is no cause [/i]

This is the problem with introducing laymen to buzz words without explanations. They just mash everything up, word-salads, and spew total garbage. No one bothers learning anymore.
GerOttman · 61-69, M
Difficult to say with any certainty. One intriguing possibility however is that the universe actually is nothing! You may be aware of the concept of anti matter and that each matter particle should have a complementary anti particle. If two particles meet they annihilate into energy. There is a puzzle as to why we appear to observe more matter than anti matter. If the missing anti matter were to exist in an undetected and complimentary anti universe, it's possible they exist in an exact state of balance and would, if summed up, equal exactly "0"! Nothing!
Paliglass · 41-45, F
[@597698,wildbill83] times that minor variation to the size of stars etc... Plus is this empty room a vacuum?
wildbill83 · 36-40, M
[@449667,Leetina] stars or vacuum didn't exist prior to big bang according to theory

i.e. no external forces
Paliglass · 41-45, F
[@597698,wildbill83] a room has alot of external forces.
Collegegirl23 · 26-30, F
Every creation have a creator except God he made everything and was the first in everything
JBird · F
First of all, no atheists ever said that world came from nothing.
Second, if you can't buy the big bang theory because you don't know what caused it, may I ask you, how did God came to being? From nothing?
Andy69 · 51-55, M
[@917702,JBird] Yes, energy can't be created or destroyed, isn't that Einstein's theory ? That in itself tells us that the soul survives death, a team of scientists from Salisbury admitted that energy exists after the brain dies, now, I have never had an out of body experience but there seems to be some credence to their claims, I cannot argue with them.
JBird · F
*Sigh* universe is full of mysteries and we only know just a handful of only those. That's what I always believe.
wildbill83 · 36-40, M
The problem with big bang theory is that it is predicated upon the laws of physics; which is a paradox; the same forces that are theorized to cause the big bang would have prevented it from occurring to begin with...

According to physics, a singularity can't expand/explode into matter, only energy.
A singularity/black hole needs external matter to form to begin with (they can't just appear out of thin air so to speak)
Any explosion, no matter how small or how big, everything from a firecracker to a supernova, needs space to expand into (if there was nothing before big bang, where did the space come from?)

If the laws of physics did not exist outside of this supposed singularity, (things like gravity, mass, density, heat/energy, etc.), it could never expand beyond it's own borders... aka, it would have been a big dud instead of a big bang... lol
MasterLee · 51-55, M
But you buy the whole skydaddy made it?
Andy69 · 51-55, M
[@9463,MasterLee] You believe in the air you breath, you cannot see the wind but feel it, there must have been times when you believed a lie you were told by someone you trusted, it's all down to personal faith. Yes, I happen to believe there was some divine started it all.
MasterLee · 51-55, M
[@1003495,Andy69] belief is not proof. I can observe the air. Stop twisting.
Reflection2 · 36-40, M
According to science. Nothing starts from nothing. I have learned logical reasoning and realized that is always a reason behind reasons and so on.

GOD extistance can neither be prove and disprove with science. So many questions in my mind about our solar system, our earth and outter space are still unanswered. Probably will always be.
GerOttman · 61-69, M
Just saying, there are other options!

"I believe in the Church of Baseball. I've tried all the major religions, and most of the minor ones. I've worshipped Buddha, Allah, Brahma, Vishnu, Siva, trees, mushrooms, and Isadora Duncan. I know things. For instance, there are 108 beads in a Catholic rosary and there are 108 stitches in a baseball. When I heard that, I gave Jesus a chance. But it just didn't work out between us. The Lord laid too much guilt on me. I prefer metaphysics to theology. You see, there's no guilt in baseball, and it's never boring... which makes it like sex." -Annie Savoy
MrBrownstone · 41-45, M
How can god generate from nothing?
As0if · 26-30, F
[@1003495,Andy69] I don't know how this world happened to exist, nor will I ever know. And I do not bother. But I simply won't believe that spirit made our world like today, besides who was witness xD
Andy69 · 51-55, M
[@816152,As0if] With the greatest of respect, I have had personal experiences of spirit phenomena so I have authority that a spiritual plain of existence is indeed most certainly real, I have no doubt about this and I wouldn't share this if I didn't know it to be true. I have even had non believers and skeptics challenge their belief system as they have tried to rationalize it, it eventually convinced them.
As0if · 26-30, F
[@1003495,Andy69] All I need is proof. Real proof. Priests say that we just need to believe. I don't want to believe, I want to know. Simple as that. Until then, I won't think the same as you. All the respect to you too, you have all the right to believe and who am I to tell you to stop believing. But don't make me believe either..
Paliglass · 41-45, F
The separation of faith from science although somewhat necessary due to the unsophisticated nature of the human mind is the biggest downfall of both science and religion.

To interweave the two the simplest of ideas springs forth.

The universe both lives and dies, bangs and crunches. Energy interwoven into its fabric is "God" and like every other happening that is considered "natural" it is a cycle.

Representations of the divine spring from the human mind at an attempt of explanation but are merely understandable images of the unseen energy that is "God"

God is neither seperate from us or exists in one form on earth or in another dimension nor is God part of us.

Like the bits of rock we walk around on we come from and go back to oblivion - nothingness. An eternal cycle of life and death, from atoms to creatures to stars, the same basic cycle all interwoven all inexplicably explainable both mysterious and mundane.

God is science.

(Do not mean Scientology tbc).
Test12345 · 26-30, M
Their main argument is that they do not know. Neither do they seem very interested in figuring it out... I think that is what differentiates most atheists from religious.
Diamonddog · 26-30, M
probably formed from many phenomena that happened in space. I don't pretend to know.
wildbill83 · 36-40, M
[@877165,Chaoticneutral] where did the space itself come from? let alone the laws that govern it (time, gravity, energy, matter, etc.)?
Diamonddog · 26-30, M
[@597698,wildbill83] could be a form of god, could be something that makes sense in certain terms but is so inconcievable within our understanding and dimensional framework that we can't fathom it.
I just say we came from 'source'.
wildbill83 · 36-40, M
[@877165,Chaoticneutral] several Bible verses allude towards God existing in non-linear time, a concept we can barely comprehend
AbbySvenz · F
Just because you can’t understand the math and science, doesn’t invalidate the math and science
Andy69 · 51-55, M
[@603039,AbbySvenz] Science does not have the answer to everything either, even one or two admit that a man called Jesus did exist, and on further investigation said that the Turn shroud may well indeed be genuine after further tests proved carbon dating wrong, after stating in 1988 that it was made in 1300 or so.
[@1003495,Andy69] I always love how people use Science to disprove science
PlumBerries · 26-30, F
[c=#7700B2]how would a god generate from absolute nothingness?[/c]
Andy69 · 51-55, M
[@10586,PlumBerries] I have already answered this, please read the comments. If it's all an illusion than we are saying priests and the Pope are wrong, or loonies.
PlumBerries · 26-30, F
[@1003495,Andy69] [c=#7700B2]I would completely agree that priests and the pope have no real clue what they are saying to be real is actually real.. [/c]
wildbill83 · 36-40, M
Whether someone believes in creation or evolution, both are contingent upon faith. One believes in the beginning, God; the other believes in the beginning, nothing.

So, when someone claims science (as it pertains to big bang theory and evolution) is mutually exclusive with faith & religion, they are merely demonstrating their own ignorance (whether they're oblivious to it, or just deluded)
Maybe we’re not really here. Spooky.
Andy69 · 51-55, M
[@14748,Zebrawl] An interesting theory and very deep but we do physically exist as we feel pain, that is not an illusion.
I don’t know. I just know I’m not going to “hell” simply because I question the existence of life.,
I don’t believe in a “judgment” by a higher power. I believe a piece of mind is just that a piece of mind. [@1003495,Andy69]
We can die and still be very much alive. [@1003495,Andy69]
And when we die we no longer exist. That’s what is. [@14748,Zebrawl]
You have to define nothing.
ThePerfectUsername · 61-69, M
[quote]we were nothing before we were born, no copiousness or awareness[/quote]
I'm guessing you mean consciousness, but regardless of that, we weren't nothing, we were all sperm and an egg before we were born.

Test12345 · 26-30, M
[@446022,Bushmanoz] nothing is the void of something. Stop pretending as if you dont know what that means...
[@336516,MartinTheFirst] Mate, do me a favour and don't assume you know what I am thinking, define nothingness to me, because i sure don't know what it is, all i can envision is that there is always something, not nothing
Loveme2 · 36-40, M
So you agree that something has came from nothing , either God or metal or anything
Asificair · M
Who said it did? 🤔

Some of the replies here are....special, very special. 😄
wetncthru · F
Intergallactic credit?

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