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Is raising meat more harmful to the environment than raising vegetables?

I grew up on a farm and we had some scrub land and sloughs that we never touched. They were kind of sanctuaries for wild life. Coyotes, deer, antelope, badgers, gophers ducks geese snipes are only a partial list of birds and animals that lived near the small ponds. Trees grew all around them and the wild life found shelter food and water there. We would turn our cattle into that area and the year after year there was harmony as we would harvest the cows every year producing hundreds of pounds of beef every year with zero impact on the environment. Not far from the sloughs we would grow grain. Early in the spring we would turn all the soil killing all the native grasses of course that required using a huge diesel tractor to do it. Then we would go over the land planting seed. As we planted we would add chemical fertilizer and some very powerful mercury based poison to kill the worms that would eat our crop. It was not unusual to run over a ducks nest or see baby hares running in fear of the noisy machinery. Late in the spring we would spray the land with dangerous chemicals to control the weeds. Some time later we would spray with another deadly chemical to control the grass hoppers or other blight. Finally in the fall we would fire up the massive combine and burn hundreds of gallons of diesel as we took off the wheat which we hoped was of adequate quality to feed to humans. It often wasn't due to lack of rain or early frost or early snow. What did we do with substandard grain? Fed it to the cows. Now which one of these food sources had the greater impact on the environment? Hers is a hint. It wasn't the cows.
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SW-User
It's the mass production farms that are the problem not the type of farm you are describing. You know that they don't farm like that any more. It's all set up to be cost efficient at the cost of the environment, animals and humans. It's all about money not sustainability. I wish it wasn't like that, but it's the reality.
FurryFace · 61-69, M
@SW-User true
hippyjoe1955 · 70-79, M
@SW-User Actually they do. Too bad you don't know the facts. Cattle are still grazed on scrub land and crops are still raised on prime land. There are even more chemicals being used on the crops.
SW-User
@hippyjoe1955 It's not hard to find information on the mass production farms out there. I am not saying they're all like that but they aren't all like you're describing either. You can look it up too.
hippyjoe1955 · 70-79, M
@SW-User It is not hard to get the wrong information. I grew up on a farm and many of my friends are still farming. Sometimes I go help them handle the cattle or take off the crops. The technology has changed but the actual farming hasn't. The cattle are still free range except to be finished for market. The breeding stock is left to forage all summer long and fed hay in the winter months when the snow keeps them from finding their own food. The round bales makes it much easier to feed the cows in the field. You just unroll them and the cattle feed on the hay.
SW-User
I haven’t done any research beyond frequently driving between Chicago and Colorado, but from what I’ve observed, it does seem that the cattle is on the rougher terrain. Iowa and eastern Nebraska seem to be nothing but crops, but as you get further west, you see more cattle along with rockier, more desolate terrain that I’d have to believe is less viable for crops. @hippyjoe1955
QuixoticSoul · 41-45, M
@SW-User Yup - but much of the crops you see grown are going to be consumed by the cattle.
QuixoticSoul · 41-45, M
@hippyjoe1955
The cattle are still free range except to be finished for market.
See, that’s where the issue lies. We live in the age of CAFO dominance, so this last step generally involves sending the cow to a feedlot where they put three thousand pounds of corn and antibiotics through its guts.

I’m not sure what this little song and dance you’re doing here is about, but you’re either uninformed or disingenuous. Yeah, you could do agriculture in an environmentally sustainable manner - and some even do. But due to current market and regulatory conditions, most do not.