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sree251 · 41-45, M
@BohemianBabe Trump is America's Hitler? He wishes. As a national leader, Hitler was magnificent.
BohemianBabe · M
@sree251 TBH, I never said Trump is like Hitler. I agree that Hitler, for all the bad he did, was highly intelligent and actually believed in Nazism. Same goes for Goebbels and Himmler. Whereas Trump is mentally challenged and doesn't believe in anything, he's purely driven by attention.
However, Trump can be considered "America's Hitler" in that he's the leader of an authoritarian movement which threatens the western values and democratic institutions of the country he's trying to take over.
However, Trump can be considered "America's Hitler" in that he's the leader of an authoritarian movement which threatens the western values and democratic institutions of the country he's trying to take over.
sree251 · 41-45, M
@BohemianBabe
True, Trump doesn't believe in anything his advisers tell him. He doesn't like all that thinking and acts thru gut fee (instinct). It's like womanly intuition. It's always right on the money.
Trump is trying to take back the country from democratic institutions that are wrecking the American homeland. If that is being America's Hitler, so be it. Thus far, he has taken back the Republican Party for those who believe that America was built by white Christians.
TBH, I never said Trump is like Hitler. I agree that Hitler, for all the bad he did, was highly intelligent and actually believed in Nazism. Same goes for Goebbels and Himmler. Whereas Trump is mentally challenged and doesn't believe in anything, he's purely driven by attention.
True, Trump doesn't believe in anything his advisers tell him. He doesn't like all that thinking and acts thru gut fee (instinct). It's like womanly intuition. It's always right on the money.
However, Trump can be considered "America's Hitler" in that he's the leader of an authoritarian movement which threatens the western values and democratic institutions of the country he's trying to take over.
Trump is trying to take back the country from democratic institutions that are wrecking the American homeland. If that is being America's Hitler, so be it. Thus far, he has taken back the Republican Party for those who believe that America was built by white Christians.
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BohemianBabe · M
@sree251 So obvi, I don't think Trump was a good president at all, I think he was literally the worst we ever had. But let's put that aside for a moment.
You seem to be one of the few Fascists here that will admit to being against Democracy. You think things would be better if America was a dictatorship with Trump as the dictator. But consider the following. At some point, a dictator has to step down. And then what happens? What if Trump is replaced by someone that you absolutely hate? Without democratic elections, we can't remove that guy. Without checks and balances, we can't restrain that guy. I think Vladimir Lenin was good for Russia, but eventually he died and was replaced with Joseph Stalin, an insane mass murderer. What if when Trump dies, he's replaced with someone who just starts killing Americans in mass numbers?
You seem to be one of the few Fascists here that will admit to being against Democracy. You think things would be better if America was a dictatorship with Trump as the dictator. But consider the following. At some point, a dictator has to step down. And then what happens? What if Trump is replaced by someone that you absolutely hate? Without democratic elections, we can't remove that guy. Without checks and balances, we can't restrain that guy. I think Vladimir Lenin was good for Russia, but eventually he died and was replaced with Joseph Stalin, an insane mass murderer. What if when Trump dies, he's replaced with someone who just starts killing Americans in mass numbers?
sree251 · 41-45, M
@BohemianBabe
There is no objective criteria for judging presidential performance. It's all based on subjective appeal.
This is why I don't like democracy; especially, the kind we are practicing here in America.
America is not a democracy. It is a democratic republic which means the people are being messed around with by the ruling elites.
With democratic elections we can't pick our guy. He or she is picked by the Republican or Democratic Party. It's like sitting down at dinner with mom. She picks the food you eat, and there are only two choices: boiled spinach and raw spinach. They both suck.
Checks and balances are means for the ruling elites to negotiate among themselves on how they mess around with our taxes. Covid has killed Americans in mass numbers. It was a bio-weapon that our Department of Health was making in Wuhan. Americans are also getting killed by wars we start in foreign countries to defend the homeland.
So obvi, I don't think Trump was a good president at all, I think he was literally the worst we ever had. But let's put that aside for a moment.
There is no objective criteria for judging presidential performance. It's all based on subjective appeal.
This is why I don't like democracy; especially, the kind we are practicing here in America.
You seem to be one of the few Fascists here that will admit to being against Democracy. You think things would be better if America was a dictatorship with Trump as the dictator.
America is not a democracy. It is a democratic republic which means the people are being messed around with by the ruling elites.
But consider the following. At some point, a dictator has to step down. And then what happens? What if Trump is replaced by someone that you absolutely hate? Without democratic elections, we can't remove that guy.
With democratic elections we can't pick our guy. He or she is picked by the Republican or Democratic Party. It's like sitting down at dinner with mom. She picks the food you eat, and there are only two choices: boiled spinach and raw spinach. They both suck.
Without checks and balances, we can't restrain that guy. I think Vladimir Lenin was good for Russia, but eventually he died and was replaced with Joseph Stalin, an insane mass murderer. What if when Trump dies, he's replaced with someone who just starts killing Americans in mass numbers?
Checks and balances are means for the ruling elites to negotiate among themselves on how they mess around with our taxes. Covid has killed Americans in mass numbers. It was a bio-weapon that our Department of Health was making in Wuhan. Americans are also getting killed by wars we start in foreign countries to defend the homeland.
BohemianBabe · M
@sree251
To a degree, that's true. But we can say that Trump lost more jobs than any other president except Herbert Hoover. That's an objective fact. So that's why in my subjective opinion, Trump was bad on jobs. If you want less jobs in America, you can say he was good.
A Republic is a form of democratic government. The more democratic society is, the less power those ruling elites have. That's why the Republicans want Authoritarianism, they want the ruling elites to have more power.
True, but the answer for that shouldn't be less Democracy, it should be more Democracy. We should have rank choice voting so that third parties and independents have a chance of winning. If your car has a flat tire, you don't fix the situation by puncturing another one of your tires, you replace the flat.
Absolutely not. Checks and balances keep any single person or party from having absolute power. If we had a dictator who could do anything, we'd have a North Korea situation where the public has no say in how taxes are spent. Biden is a centrist establishment shill, but his base has been able to force him to pass progressive bills that he never would have passed twenty years ago. That's the power of the people, but it only happens in a democratic system with checks and balances.
There is no objective criteria for judging presidential performance.
To a degree, that's true. But we can say that Trump lost more jobs than any other president except Herbert Hoover. That's an objective fact. So that's why in my subjective opinion, Trump was bad on jobs. If you want less jobs in America, you can say he was good.
America is not a democracy. It is a democratic republic which means the people are being messed around with by the ruling elites.
A Republic is a form of democratic government. The more democratic society is, the less power those ruling elites have. That's why the Republicans want Authoritarianism, they want the ruling elites to have more power.
With democratic elections we can't pick our guy. He or she is picked by the Republican or Democratic Party. It's like sitting down at dinner with mom. She picks the food you eat, and there are only two choices: boiled spinach and raw spinach. They both suck.
True, but the answer for that shouldn't be less Democracy, it should be more Democracy. We should have rank choice voting so that third parties and independents have a chance of winning. If your car has a flat tire, you don't fix the situation by puncturing another one of your tires, you replace the flat.
Checks and balances are means for the ruling elites to negotiate among themselves on how they mess around with our taxes.
Absolutely not. Checks and balances keep any single person or party from having absolute power. If we had a dictator who could do anything, we'd have a North Korea situation where the public has no say in how taxes are spent. Biden is a centrist establishment shill, but his base has been able to force him to pass progressive bills that he never would have passed twenty years ago. That's the power of the people, but it only happens in a democratic system with checks and balances.
sree251 · 41-45, M
@ElwoodBlues
Trump is a wrecking ball. He is intent on smashing what progressive social reforms have been forced on traditional America. New, liberal ideas concocted by intellectuals have no place in our homeland.
You think Trump will be a good leader of all 70+ states??
Trump is a wrecking ball. He is intent on smashing what progressive social reforms have been forced on traditional America. New, liberal ideas concocted by intellectuals have no place in our homeland.
BohemianBabe · M
@sree251 Which ideas, exactly?
sree251 · 41-45, M
@BohemianBabe
The idea that being a man or woman is an idea, and you can have the right to have any idea of yourself.
Which ideas, exactly?
The idea that being a man or woman is an idea, and you can have the right to have any idea of yourself.
sree251 · 41-45, M
@BohemianBabe
If gender is a social construct, that it is a product of cultural indoctrination. Objective truth has nothing to do with culture. The nature of the moon is an objective truth. The sun is an objective truth. It is not a social construct.
I mean it's an objective truth that gender is a social construct.
If gender is a social construct, that it is a product of cultural indoctrination. Objective truth has nothing to do with culture. The nature of the moon is an objective truth. The sun is an objective truth. It is not a social construct.
BohemianBabe · M
@sree251 You're misunderstanding. The objective truth is that gender is a social construct, not that the tropes that make up a gender are objective truths.
So what's wrong with acknowledging that gender is a social construct? Why should we lie to ourselves and pretend it's not?
So what's wrong with acknowledging that gender is a social construct? Why should we lie to ourselves and pretend it's not?
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sree251 · 41-45, M
@BohemianBabe
What misunderstanding are you talking about? Is your penis a social construct or is it an objective truth?
You're misunderstanding. The objective truth is that gender is a social construct, not that the tropes that make up a gender are objective truths.
So what's wrong with acknowledging that gender is a social construct?
So what's wrong with acknowledging that gender is a social construct?
What misunderstanding are you talking about? Is your penis a social construct or is it an objective truth?
sree251 · 41-45, M
@BohemianBabe
Established ideas of being male and female correspond to biological differences. It is the same way we establish ideas of having arms and legs that correspond to biological body parts. What kind of culture would establish identification of what your gender is without reference to biological evidence?
Sex is biological. Gender is cultural
Established ideas of being male and female correspond to biological differences. It is the same way we establish ideas of having arms and legs that correspond to biological body parts. What kind of culture would establish identification of what your gender is without reference to biological evidence?
BohemianBabe · M
@sree251 I'm not saying there's no connection. Biology is one of the aspects of gender, but it's not the defining feature of gender. Gender is assigned to babies based on their sex. However, people can also change their gender because it's mainly about identity. People can also change their sex with HRT.
sree251 · 41-45, M
@BohemianBabe
Are you saying that gender identity is one thing and biological reality is another? A person's desire for gender change is peculiar. Do you think this is ok? What if a guy desires to be a horse? Is that ok?
However, people can also change their gender because it's mainly about identity. People can also change their sex with HRT.
Are you saying that gender identity is one thing and biological reality is another? A person's desire for gender change is peculiar. Do you think this is ok? What if a guy desires to be a horse? Is that ok?
BohemianBabe · M
@sree251
Yes. Male, female, and intersex are biological. Man/boy, woman/girl, and non-binary are gender identities.
There's a connection, of course. Biological females are assigned "girl" at birth. Trans women will often take HRT to grow boobies. There is a connection between sex and gender. However, they're still two different things. There's also a connection between race and ethnicity, but they're still two different things.
A horse isn't an identity, it's a species. So you can't be a horse just by identifying as one.
Are you saying that gender identity is one thing and biological reality is another?
Yes. Male, female, and intersex are biological. Man/boy, woman/girl, and non-binary are gender identities.
There's a connection, of course. Biological females are assigned "girl" at birth. Trans women will often take HRT to grow boobies. There is a connection between sex and gender. However, they're still two different things. There's also a connection between race and ethnicity, but they're still two different things.
What if a guy desires to be a horse?
A horse isn't an identity, it's a species. So you can't be a horse just by identifying as one.
sree251 · 41-45, M
@BohemianBabe
There is a connection between sex and gender? Are these not different terms for the same thing? Is male and man not two different terms for the same thing?
People of the same race have similar physical characteristics while people of the same ethnic background share the same culture. Therefore, an ethnic American could be white, black, latino or Chinese. Ethnicity encompasses more than one race. Using the same rationale, how does gender encompass more than one sex?
I am not sure if a horse has an identity. Probably not. It doesn't know that it is a horse much less a male or female horse. We, however, can have myriad identities and it is not restricted to gender alone. We have racial identities, national identities, professional identities, religious identities, gender identities, etc.. With regard to gender identities, there used to be only two: man and woman. They correspond to having a biologically male or female body. A man could transition to being a woman by taking HRT to alter his body. Why would a person with a male body want to be a woman?
There is a connection between sex and gender. However, they're still two different things. There's also a connection between race and ethnicity, but they're still two different things.
There is a connection between sex and gender? Are these not different terms for the same thing? Is male and man not two different terms for the same thing?
There's also a connection between race and ethnicity, but they're still two different things.
People of the same race have similar physical characteristics while people of the same ethnic background share the same culture. Therefore, an ethnic American could be white, black, latino or Chinese. Ethnicity encompasses more than one race. Using the same rationale, how does gender encompass more than one sex?
A horse isn't an identity, it's a species. So you can't be a horse just by identifying as one.
I am not sure if a horse has an identity. Probably not. It doesn't know that it is a horse much less a male or female horse. We, however, can have myriad identities and it is not restricted to gender alone. We have racial identities, national identities, professional identities, religious identities, gender identities, etc.. With regard to gender identities, there used to be only two: man and woman. They correspond to having a biologically male or female body. A man could transition to being a woman by taking HRT to alter his body. Why would a person with a male body want to be a woman?
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