JK Rowling is not transphobic

@BlueVeins and how is that transphobic in the slightest?

@Torsten A lot of transgender women don't menstruate. Therefore, the message she's sending is that transgender women aren't women.

@BlueVeins you mean all transgender women dont menstruate because they are not biological women and referring to women as "people who menstruate" instead of calling them women is plain stupidity.
She never said anything transphobic. Just pointing out facts and the stupidity of others

@Torsten Trans women can get some period symptoms, believe it or not.

https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/can-trans-women-get-periods

[quote]referring to women as "people who menstruate" instead of calling them women is plain stupidity.[/quote]

That was never the issue. The post she was replying to was specifically about menstrual health, not women in general. You can go see it for yourself.

https://twitter.com/jk_rowling/status/1269382518362509313?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1269382518362509313%7Ctwgr%5E%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.glamour.com%2Fstory%2Fa-complete-breakdown-of-the-jk-rowling-transgender-comments-controversy

@BlueVeins well biological women are the only ones who menstruate so safe to say it was about women in general.. I see nothing transphobic in this at all except poeple outraged that someone bring up biology. Also I believe it was about being referred to as "people who menstruate" because she talked about that again in another post i believe

@Torsten If she'd have said "biological women", this wouldn't be a controversy at all. You have to admit, there's a world of a difference there; I refuse to believe that she's too dull to know the difference after all this time.

@BlueVeins why should she have to say biological women when talking about women now? is that where we are in the world where we have to tip toe around the words men and women to please the few so their feelings are not hurt?
Trans woman or trans men should be referred to as just that. Not simply just as man or women because they are not that

@Torsten Is this whole conversation gonna be about you not knowing the difference between sex and gender?

@BlueVeins do trans women menstruate? none of this could have similar symptom bullcrap. Do they menstruate, yes or no?

@BlueVeins My take on it is that when those of relatively "extreme" opinions are controlling the narrative, as they often are because they're the most noticed and outspoken, the opposite extreme is created and a lot of paranoia is created.

So in terms of this example from having watched a long essay on this before critisising her, though tone deaf my instinct tells me she bought into the narrative that the idea of biological sex was being "attacked" and that some groups wanted to "replace" it with something else, such a core belief being challenged brings out visceral reactions. So for her it felt like a large part of her core identity was being challenged. My criticism would be that it was tone deaf on her part.

Some would call her a transphobe, I've heard statements from her in contradiction to that, you could say she is perhaps creating an environment that isn't helpful for those not in alignment with the normative ideas around gender identity and perhaps some would call that transphobic? but I think indirect conflations like that don't actually fit the definition of transphobic. Perhaps there's other tweets of hers I haven't heard or remembered but I don't think it's as black and white as some believe it to be.

@Torsten Very nice de-railing. To answer your question, it depends how you define menstruation. Transgender chicks don't have uteruses, so that rolls out the shedding of the uterus's lining. But menstruation can also be characterized by its symptoms, and in that case, some trans women do menstruate. At this point, it becomes a meaningless word game.

@BlueVeins it isnt derailing to get back into what you posted about her supposedly being transphobic and you cant even say it. You need a uterus to menstruate so you answered my question without answering it. So do trans women have uteruses? no, so tell me how what she said makes that transphobic when trans people were not even mentioned

@Ryannnnnn Look, she's been corrected numerous times by a wide variety of sources. There's no way she doesn't know what she's doing at this point. When you're a sexist, you usually don't come out and say that women are bad, you talk about how they belong in the home instead of speaking in public. When you're a homophobe, you don't usually say that gay people are bad, you say that sex between men is a sin and you actually love the people themselves.

When you're a transphobe, you usually don't come out and say that all trans people are bad or disgusting, instead you say that it's their [i]chosen identity[/i] that's invalid and they should only be considered as whatever gender they're assigned at birth. This is what she's doing in this tweet.

@Torsten I said it depends on the definition. But even if I conceded this point entirely by accepting your arbitrary definition, it wouldn't have any bearing on the central issue.

@BlueVeins It could be or maybe not. Either is passable so I guess it just falls down to opinion.

@BlueVeins I know what you said and you would not give a clear cut answer despite im sure knowing full well the answer but just not wanting to say it.

it has every bearing on the issue and that being JK is against women being referred to as "people who menstruate" when talking about women menstruating because it hurts some peoples feelings because they dont menstruate and want to be included as the exact same as biological women when that is far from the case..

not transphobic in the slightest.. funny though how trans rights seem to mostly come at the expense of women now right

@Torsten [quote]it has every bearing on the issue and that being JK is against women being referred to as "people who menstruate" when talking about women menstruating because it hurts some peoples feelings because they dont menstruate and want to be included as the exact same as biological women when that is far from the case..[/quote]

That's not the case at all. The "people who menstruate" crowd [i]isn't[/i] lumping transgender women in with cisgender women; in fact, they're explicitly excluding at least the bulk of 'em. Ironically, Rowling would be the one including transgender women in the conversation about periods (unnecessarily) by just using the term as women.

Lemme make this simple for you. I'll use your definition of menstruate just so we don't have to waste time bickering about terminology anymore.

People who menstruate:
-Cisgender women who've hit puberty but haven't yet hit menopause yet and don't skip their periods using the pill
-Transgender men & non-binary folks who've hit puberty but haven't yet hit menopause and don't skip their periods using the pill

Women:
-Cisgender women, broadly
-Transgender women

As you can see, the term Rowling's using [i]would[/i] include transgender folks as the same group as cisgender women (erroneously, I might add), so it's actually the opposite of what you're saying. And IDK why you're talking about it "hurting some people's feelings", it's just factually inaccurate lol

@BlueVeins why the fuck do you keep saying "cisgender"? how bout just saying women. Cisgender is a made up term and most refuse to acknowledge that idiotic label.
funny how you are so off the mark with everything. You are looking to be outraged and make something out of nothing. You have proved my point and again what she said is not transphobic. Nice try though

Also transmen who menstruate are still biological women. They can identify however they please but you can not change your biology or just ignore it

@Torsten [quote]why the fuck do you keep saying "cisgender"? how bout just saying women.[/quote]

Because that would include transgender women too, and that's not my intent.

[quote]Cisgender is a made up term[/quote]

All terms are made up, my dear.

[quote]most refuse to acknowledge that idiotic label.[/quote]

Source?

[quote]Also transmen who menstruate are still biological women. They can identify however they please but you can not change your biology or just ignore it[/quote]

Well you [i]can[/i] change your biology; you can go on hormones and stuff, and any biologist will tell ya that your hormones impact your biology. It's true that trans dudes can't change their chromosomes or their genitals, but gender is about much more than that. Gender is rooted in social structures, norms, relationships, femininity and masculinity. What you seem to be referring to is sex, and nobody's arguing against the existence of sex. That's a conservative strawman, plain and simple.