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In your opinion has the LGBTQ community gone too far with sexualities and genders

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Hikingguy · 56-60, M
Here is my 2 cents. I’m seriously cool with gay and bi sexual people. Have at it. Love is love. But as I live by my own code, do as you want as long as it doesn’t infringe on MY rights. Gay or hetero don’t need to force their agenda on the other.
Trans......... that is something entirely different and for another discussion.
I am however 100% against trans men competing again women in sports. Period. How can you sleep at night knowing you are a dude who beat a woman in powerlifting, wrestling, running, etc. This is just not fair to legit female athletes.
Roadsterrider · 56-60, M
@Hikingguy This opinion is probably the majority opinion. Live and let live, until things crash into my world, I am not worried.
SatanBurger · 36-40, F
@Hikingguy That's a myth, trans people go through hormonal therapy so that changes your body and muscle mass. It can virtually wipe away any muscle mass within a year. There's no scientific evidence that they have an advantage outside of far-right "news" sites or Facebook "news."
Roadsterrider · 56-60, M
@SatanBurger Look up Fallon Fox, the trans "female" MMA fighter, dominating and decimating opponents, leaving them with fractured skulls and other injuries. There isn't a ton of scientific evidence on male vs. female atheletes competing as peers because nobody has tried to say there aren't any differences that would prevent them from competing together till recently. There is plenty of scientific evidence that men and women are built differently though. Men have a greater bone density, larger hands, shorter limbs that are better suited for working harder, lifting more. Look around you, why are 80% of the women 5ft and change while the men are all around 6ft. I am 5-11, my wife is 5-3, her legs are longer than mine. There may be a woman who could be a linebacker for the Steelers but they are few and far between.
SatanBurger · 36-40, F
@Roadsterrider Cracked skulls are what generally happens in that sport. There's plenty of scientific evidence that men and women are built differently but there's no scientific evidence that after hormone therapy trans has the advantage.

This is because the [b]hormones[/b] trans people take changes their body structure and muscle mass, as I said before.

[b]https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2015/feb/16/fallon-fox-trans-mma-athlete-interview[/b]
Roadsterrider · 56-60, M
@SatanBurger It seems that cracked skulls isn't something that has happened before when 2 biological women have fought. The hands don't get smaller or the bones less dense with hormones. Look at pictures of Fox, she still has man sized arms. The only defining female characteristic she has is breasts. Arms, shoulders, hips, all looks like a mans body to me. Scientific evidence is not too important when the evidence is right in front of your face.
SatanBurger · 36-40, F
@Roadsterrider Head injuries happen in that sport all the time. Scientific evidence is important, it may not be for you but that's not how the rest of the world operates thank goodness.
Roadsterrider · 56-60, M
@SatanBurger head injuries happen, but actually fracturing a skull with a blow from a hand isn't something that happens often. Broken jaws, broken noses, but the cranium is a pretty tough bone. For the first trans MMA fighter to be the one who starts fracturing women's skulls in bouts, that has to say something in spite of the fact that they haven't done a study on trans women beating up biological women. You can wait on scientific evidence and in the meantime women's sports will be tainted and women hurt by those biological males who enter women's sports. If there isn't a reason to separate men and women, why are there even women's sports? Just a side note, men's powerlifting record is just shy of 2,400 pounds, the women's powerlifting record is just a bit over 600 pounds. It is more than just a bit of hormonal difference.
SatanBurger · 36-40, F
@Roadsterrider Powerlifters often take steroids, that is a moot point. There's a large difference when a transgendered female takes testosterone reducing hormones than regular males who are not trans. Besides that, studies find it changes the testosterone levels to barely distinguishable and loses endurance capabilities of athletic performances. Hemoglobin levels are statistically the same for cis-gendered females as it was for trans gendered women who have undergone two years of hormone therapy.

The following study cites their shortcomings but is a good example of this fact (click on the PDF file.)

[b]https://www.semanticscholar.org/paper/Race-Times-for-Transgender-Athletes-Harper/1e6abd2c1e03ba88e9ac8da94ea1d69ff3f4878a#[/b]

There's lots of evidence albeit loose at this point that does prove trans gendered women do lose what makes them biologically male after two years of transition.

[quote]If there isn't a reason to separate men and women, why are there even women's sports?[/quote]

Not all men are trans would be my guess, I think that it would be an obvious point to state that some men are going to be trans gendered females but not all men are trans gendered. So it still makes sense that we have women and men's sports.

Ya know?
Roadsterrider · 56-60, M
@SatanBurger Well, from what I am seeing, biological males who are transgender seem to be dominating the women's events that they are competing in. I don't think this issue has been around for long enough to have true documentation and studies with definitive results so I will continue to base my opinion on what reality I see.