Why are the folks here so darn homophobic?

@SapphicHeart 😂

@SapphicHeart And realistically, many are.

@xixgun except there's no such thing as heterophobia much like there's no such thing as reverse racism and reverse sexism.

@basilfawlty89 What?

@Kwek00 he claims there are "heterophobes". There's no such thing. Homophobia is prejudice plus power. Where do gays oppress straight people institutionally?

@basilfawlty89 Institutionaly? You think power always needs to be an institution? For me... Power means that you are able to make someone (or something) else do something, that they wouldn't do by themselves. [i](this also works in the negative, like if I want to do something but you tell me not too, and I abide just because you tell me, that means you are excercising power)
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If I'm in a relationship with someone, even on the same hyrarichcal level, and I'm able to make my partner do everything I want without them ever asking annything in return. That's power. Therefore I don't have to be in an institution [i](like mariage)[/i]. But I'm still excercising power.

This idea that you can go from "prejudice + power" to "institutionaly" is something that is really weird to me every time when I hear it. However, I do admit that from time to time bias and prejudice influence institutions to reflect the biased/prejudice narrative that infringes on the equal rights/opportunities of people. Being from South-Africa, I think you have one of the best examples in the Apartheid-clause.

But most discrimination and racism isn't institutionalised. It just lives in the conceptions of peoples thoughts, and they act upon it. If you see someone excluded because of bias and no other rational argument, that's still discrimination but it's not "institutionalised" and the fact that you are excluding someone is still excercising power over them.

@Kwek00 prejudice plus power is still the formal definition of racism, sexism and homophobia. Gay people do not exploit, oppress or limit the rights of heterosexuals.

@basilfawlty89 If you read what I said... then I didn't deny that. You however had to bring in the "institutional" thing, something no one has ever been able to explain to me why that matters in most cases people talk about.

If you accept my idea above, that it doesn't have to be an instituon to still be racist [i](or what ever other bias people may have)[/i]. Then you can see that if Homophobia excist, Heterophobia can also be a thing.

And as we all know, every movement has it's radicals. Because ideological movements always spawn their indoctrinated fuck ups, that's just what ideologies do if people take things to far and get hooked with people that share a similair idea, a similair goal and want to prove that they are the purest of the pure.

Now... I don't know what you mean by "reversed-racism"... because "racism" is just "racism", but I sometimes hear the idea that racism can only be done by people that are identified as being white. For people that believe that, I seriously advice too look up Malcom X speeches before he got kicked out of the Nation of Islam. Because actively preaching hatred based on bias and prejudice on the basis of someones skin color isn't just a caucasian thing. It's a human thing. And people that act upon these ideas (as in excercising power) for kicking white people out of neighbourhoods or jobs or what ever... is also a thing that excists.

The moment a bunch of gay people get so angry at heterosexuals and make it into a ideological stance where they define the enemy as "the heterosexual" being a problem to their excistence. Then we just have to give it time before they believe excercising power of them just because they are heterosexuals is okay.

However, since the gay-community is in the minority, these things either come to light verry little or never alone. (depending if it excists or gets attention) But the idea that it can't excist is something that I think is strange to say. Cause there are a lot of biased prejudice frustrated angry people out there.

@Kwek00 I'm which it would be bigotry or prejudice, bit wouldn't fit the concept of racism which by its sociological definition requires power. Is it right? Of course not, bit it's not on par with racism. Some black guy saying "cracker" and blaming white people for stuff isn't nearly on par with slavery and Jim Crow laws.

@basilfawlty89 Jim Crow Laws are an actual institution.

But when I look around in my own enviorement... there is no such law.
Yet, when we go measure or do tests, people with Arab names have less chance of getting a job then people with a name that is more traditional around here. This test have been done more then once, where people send the exact same resume, but one with an Arab name and the other with a Belgian name, yet just because of the name on the paper, the Arabic candidate has less positive respondses then the one with the Belgium name.

This kind of behavior, purely based on prejudice, isn't institutionalised. Yet it's still a form of excercising power. And I would still call it prejudice on the basis of race.

@xixgun
'Tis funny. I've noticed your [b]own[/b] remarks on definition of phobia, which you used to decline there being such thing as homophobia. I'm used to your kind of rhetoric, one of your fellows has spent time on harassing me and following me coz of my sexuality and not being religious myself. Such fine Christian, would you happen to be one too ?

[quote][b][big]Homophobia[/big][/b]

Homophobia encompasses a range of negative attitudes and feelings toward homosexuality or people who are identified or perceived as being lesbian, gay, bisexual or transgender (LGBT).[1][2][3] It has been defined as contempt, prejudice, aversion, hatred or antipathy, may be based on irrational fear and ignorance, and is often related to religious beliefs.[4][5]

Homophobia is observable in critical and hostile behavior such as discrimination and violence on the basis of sexual orientations that are non-heterosexual.[1][2][6]

[i]Source : https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homophobia[/i][/quote]