There is a straight pride parade being organized....

@Quizzical Um, it's not because of being LGBT. It's because of being marginalized, discriminated against, and oppressed.

You know, the kind of thing that happens every single minute of every single day to every heterosexual person. 🙄

@daisymay Perhaps in the beginning it was a fight against discrimination... NOW it's about flaunting being different and somehow special... Usually by dancing around in tighty-whiteys covered in glitter 🙄

Gay Pride should be something closer to Black History month where ACTUAL achievements can be celebrated and taken pride in, but with the past discrimination not being forgotten.

And this isn't a right-wing, heterosexual saying this... I'm left-wing and bisexual.

Gay Pride marches/festivals do not represent the majority of LGBT people, and are becoming an embarrassment. It's my belief they are actually causing more division than social union in the form they currently take.

People cannot be forced to accept something that is alien to them... They have to get used to it over time. Mainly by recognising similarities rather than having differences rammed down their throats.

@Quizzical [quote]People cannot be forced to accept something that is alien to them[/quote]

You believe that a pride parade is a weapon of force to be used against people? That is absurd.

@daisymay Well they are certainly not an exercise in subtlety...

What's the slogan?

"We're here, we're queer, get over it!"

That's an attempt to force acceptance surely?

"We're not going away so you're going to HAVE to accept it."

@Quizzical That's the message that people at the parade hear, sure. I'm not sure it's being piped into everyone's homes, though.

@daisymay Only to those people with a TV, Radio, or the internet, lol.

Perhaps not in those exact words, but certainly with that sentiment.

@Quizzical And they are forced to watch these things, as well? The atrocities of the Homosexual Agenda are even wider reaching than I was originally led to believe.

@daisymay Well, your phrasing (and sarcasm) there imply that there ISN'T a Homosexual Agenda, when of course there is. It's an agenda of equality and acceptance.

Which I don't have an issue with really. In a perfect world we SHOULD all be treated equally.

But as I've said, you can't force that to happen. Certainly not so by promoting an image that all gay people are leather daddies, muscle-marys, drag-queens and bull-dykes obsessed with rainbows and glitter.

It's not representative of the average gay person on the street, who, apart from who they find attractive are pretty much just the same as any heterosexual person.

Similarity draws people together, difference drives them apart, and bombarding people with imagery through the media of the more 'outre' aspects of 'the scene' is certainly NOT going to highlight similarities.

In fact, bombarding anyone with something constantly is eventually just going to piss them off and cause a reaction.

We see it all the time in the media these days. A character whose defining characteristic is that they are gay, inserted to tick certain minority boxes. Inevitably they are also usually camper than Christmas to REALLY hammer home that they are gay. It's ridiculous, it's not representative of real gay people, and it feels so obviously forced. It's everywhere you look, and it's not really helping anyone.

So, yes, it's theoretically possible to avoid it, but only if someone disengages themselves from all forms of mass entertainment.

@Quizzical Well, I guess we should change it to "Pretty please don't murder us!" and hope for the best.

@daisymay Well, a little more humility, and a little less 'in your face 'sassy' attitude' might not go amiss.

Rights are generally won through negotiation, not through pissing off a more powerful and widespread opponent.

The tide can change at any time after all...

@Quizzical "Please can we be treated like human beings?"

Am I the only one that thinks this sounds ridiculous?

@daisymay Well, look at it this way.

Who was more successful in getting things changed? Martin Luther King Jr, or Malcolm Little?

The man who worked WITH the system, or the guy fighting AGAINST the system?

You seem to be under the misapprehension that 'rights' are automatic upon birth. They are not. Rights are a luxury afforded us by the rich and powerful. They can be given, and they can be taken away.

If tomorrow homosexuality was outlawed those 'rights' would evaporate into nothingness... So the concepts of please and thank you are not totally outlandish really.

@Quizzical [quote]You seem to be under the misapprehension that 'rights' are automatic upon birth.[/quote]

That is what the Constitution says, is it not?

@daisymay It's a piece of paper and an ideal... The reality of the situation is subject to change. Hell, that document itself has been changed often enough, hence amendments.

@Quizzical Well, shit, since it's all a lie, why don't we just flip the script on the straights? Let's take their rights away and start oppressing them for being heterosexuals.

I don't like your "hide and watch and wait and see and beg for the right to exist" plan. It sucks and is dangerous.

@daisymay You can't oppress a superior force, lol

You can only oppress when you are in a position of power and authority.

The current plan of being out and loud and proud and as camp as possible isn't a) working, or b) representative of the majority of LGBT people. As I say, it's pretty much damaging relations these days because so many people are sick to death of it. In fact, people are generally sick of being told what they can say, what they can think, how they are supposed to react. You push folks far enough, and eventually they start to push back. The far-left just doesn't understand this because they are so caught up in their own self-righteousness.

@Quizzical Having a pride parade isn't pushing things.

[quote]In fact, people are generally sick of being told what they can say, what they can think, how they are supposed to react.[/quote]

Well, I guess they should work to change the laws that force them to do those things....oh, hey wait a minute!

[quote]so many people are sick to death of it[/quote]

You mean bigots. I honestly don't give a shit what a bigot thinks.

I'm done trying to convince you to be an ally, I will not beg for being allowed to exist and I resent your insinuation that I should. Goodbye now.

@daisymay I'm not an ally... I'm actually part of the LGBT community. I guess you missed me saying that earlier though.

And no these people are not bigots, they are just normal, everyday folks getting tired of being dictated to and having ideologies (from both sides of the political spectrum admittedly) rammed down their throats.

But the community can keep on with this current strategy if they want to. I just predict stronger and stronger backlashes against it.

Subtlety is far more useful in most situations than screaming defiance.