How do you think we should resolve the issue of school shootings in the US?

@sstronaut Actually... You could be onto something with that.

Most school shooters tend to be some nobody, who wasn't the go to guy at school. He doesn't exactly have his life mapped out before him in terms of work and career.

A mass shooting/suicide bombing could be a great way to make sure that nobody forgets his name because he will be all over the media for a while.

If we were to only name him once, then focus more on the innocent people who died - he doesn't get eternal noteirty and the idea of mass shootings/suicide bombings might be less attractive to these sickos.

They don't deserve to be remembered for what they have done in the same way that the dead people should be remembered because their lives were cut short and this is the best we can do now.

I mean, no one can think about Holly Chapman and Jessica Wells, without also remembering Ian Huntley and Maxine Carr.

@HootyTheNightOwl A good point.

What is noticeable though that at least some particularly nasty crimes in the UK are remembered by the victim's rather than perpetrator's names.

@ArishMell Until you think of the Philpot murders when all we really know are the "parents" who murdered their children to get a bigger house.

I guess houses don't get much bigger than the jailhouse, eh, Mick and Mairade??? BTW, he's up for release soon...

@HootyTheNightOwl It is variable, with no consistency.

The case of James Bulger - killed by two older children - is often named after his surname, which seems rather impersonal and cold.

On the other hand, people still talk of "The Yorkshire Ripper", not using his real name (which I forget) nor that of his victims.

@ArishMell Yeah, that seriously pisses me off, too. James Bulger was just 2 years old and far too young to have embarked on a life of crime - at least use his full name and his first name, too. His mother has worked tirelessly to make sure that James was never forgotten.

I had hoped that James' mother might have campaigned to change that so that the media has to use his (and everyone else's) first name. I mean, you can't even argue that it's for "space saving reasons" when the name "James" is shorter than the name "Bulger". You are older than me, so you might be able to better remember if the media had no access to James' first name at around the time he was murdered???

I know that there was a blackout of his name at the time of his death... but all we knew about baby Peter for a while is that he was "Baby P", so I'm thinking that they call James Bulger by his last name because that's all they had access to...

Alitt (I refuse to use it's first name, and I know that you will know who I am referring to) is another example of where a crime is known more by the murderer than by the babies that were killed.

@sstronaut So what you're saying is that school shootings, highest murder rate in the first world etc is seen an acceptable price for Americans to own guns?

@HootyTheNightOwl As I recall, James Bulger's name was released from the start, or at least very early on.

Using his surname to identify his murder, is Press heartlessness.

The secrecy around Peter Connolly, and similar cases, may have been to protect the integrity of the case; but I am not a barrister or social-worker so I don't know the law in this respect.

@ArishMell I know that James Bulger was murdered back in 1993 - and they used to talk of him by name... then he just became his surname. Just like his murderers, James gets no more respect than the filth who killed him.

The part I wasn't sure of with James was the point between his disappearance and when he was found... I was 9 myself then and going through some stuff - so my memory is hazy at best due to dissociation. I can't remember if they were calling him by his proper name back then or if he was just his surname.

The reason why Peter Connolly likely wasn't named from the beginning is probably because they wanted to protect his brothers and sisters rather than the integrity of the case... he still had siblings living with his parents after they killed him. The case itself was pretty much open and closed because they knew he was dead and who did it - the only real questions they had was why his mother, her boyfriend and their lodger were able to get away with such extreme levels of abuse without triggering safeguarding measures that are supposed to stop children enduring abuse such as this.

@22Michelle
1) No one said that

2) Weather you know it or not, your stats are most likely biased as most of those type stats come from FBI and most of the world refuses to submit their negative stats to the FBI.

3) That's by totals, and of course America totals are going to be larger, as they're larger than most other countries... at least the ones that do report to their numbers (which may or may not be accurate) to the FBI.

4) If you went per person, you'd see the top 5 (of those that do report their stats to the FBI (and report correctly)) are

1) Jamaica
2) Ecuador
3) Haiti
4) Honduras
5) Mexico

https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/murder-rate-by-country

5) Free will is indeed to price of freedom. You do enjoy that freedom don't cha? And how did we get that freedom? With guns... and knowing how to use them.

6) It's interesting how the places where guns are illegal (School Zones, Major Cities, etc) are where most of the gun crimes happen at... maybe that's because the people that actually follow the law aren't allowed to have them there.

There doesn't seem to be nearly as many issues in the areas where good guys are allowed to carry the guns too.

@ArishMell I thought the same as you James Bulger was disrespected

@sstronaut

1)No one said that

It's the conclusion of the proposals

2) Weather you know it or not, your stats are most likely biased as most of those type stats come from FBI and most of the world refuses to submit their negative stats to the FBI.

Stats on murder, gun violence are compiled differently by various countries and organisations, but amongst first world economies the USA is way out on its own. Mexiaco, which is arguably not first world has rates skewed by the drug cartel issues, which are due to US drug problems, and much of the cartel guns are purchased in the USA.
Nb Where is your evidence that countries other than the USA are falsifying their statistics?

3) That's by totals, and of course America totals are going to be larger, as they're larger than most other countries... at least the ones that do report to their numbers (which may or may not be accurate) to the FBI.

We're talking about rates per 100,000

4) If you went per person, you'd see the top 5 (of those that do report their stats to the FBI (and report correctly)) are

1) Jamaica
2) Ecuador
3) Haiti
4) Honduras
5) Mexico

Again the comparator is with other first world countries, none of which are amongst the above, and Mecico suffers from the drug problems in USA.

5) Free will is indeed to price of freedom. You do enjoy that freedom don't cha? And how did we get that freedom? With guns... and knowing how to use them.

How did other countries acquire freedom without the gun ownership and murder rates of violence. Nb Most other first world countries don't think the USA is as free as other first world countries are.

6) It's interesting how the places where guns are illegal (School Zones, Major Cities, etc) are where most of the gun crimes happen at... maybe that's because the people that actually follow the law aren't allowed to have them there.

Major cities have higher crime rates due to density of population. Sad, but true. And in the USA it's very easy to acquire guns by driving several miles outside the city.

There doesn't seem to be nearly as many issues in the areas where good guys are allowed to carry the guns too.

Again you're trying to compare apples with oranges.

@22Michelle In other words, you just ignore information that doesn't agree with your preconceived notions, which is obviously why we'll continue to always disagree, got it, and goodbye 👋

@sstronaut I think it's you that refuses to accept the fact that your country has gun violence and murder rates that no other first world country would accept.
Look up what happened to gun laws in Scotland after Dunblane schol shooting. Laws that were way more strict than the USA became even more restrictive.

@22Michelle I just proved that to be incorrectly false, but you willing choose to ignore factual information that doesn't go with your preconceived notions 🤷

You can keep yelling that the earth is flat, but that doesn't make it factually true.

With you not willing to be open factual information, I don't see there is any more reason for us to communicate.

So continue to enjoy your life 😌 (preferably not continuing to annoy others) buh-bye 👋

@sstronaut It's your choice to be unwilling to accept facts. Like all Maga types you project your opinions as facts and run away when challenged with evidence and facts. So bye bye, you won't be missed.

@22Michelle Actually I accepted the facts and presented them to you, and you're willing ignored them.

Also, this shows your preconceived notices, as I never have have been MAGA, quote the opposite... the fact that you are once again, trying to put false labels on things, show that you are biased in your preconceived notions and have no idea what you are talking about.

@sstronaut What facts did you present? Where was the evidence, the links to evidence. You expressed opinions,, which is very different. And perhaps you're not Maga, but your way of arguing, not debating, is very Maga. And now you're deflecting, which is a standard Maga tactic. If you want to debate, exchange ideas and / or opinions the base it on facts.

@22Michelle Just go away already...

No one cares about your endless lying rants where you make up your own facts and ignore the truth.

@sstronaut Then why do you keep replying? You could either just ignore me, or post credible evidence to pwrsuade me of your argument. Instead you just keep deflecting and being abusive.