@specman I'm wondering why this seems to be a US problem. Surely people in other countries have their fair share of mental problems. Other countries though, do not seem to have organizations dedicated to guns.
@Northwest mental health issues run deep in the US. . Why have the shootings鈥檚 risen in the US ? Maybe because of the rise of mental health? All have the common issues of out of touch with reality and basic mental problems. They also list a mass shooting as four people. That could be gang violence or explained ( some times in their trials they either get a lack of proper discipline due to them being mentally I鈥檒l or challenged) I believe that mass shooters and the other shootings are because they are in the wrong state of mind (mentally unstable) . You should agree that all heinous shootings are committed by those who are not in the right mind (mentally challenged ). I don鈥檛 believe it is because of guns. Even if Guns were eliminated from the equation the killings would be slowed for a while, but when alternative measures are found out they would rise. Or possibly create less people killed at once, but instead of killing in mass quantities the would raise the murder rate due to multiple killings to achieve an amount equivalent to what would be equivalent of mass killings . Which may even lead to more killings due to it taking longer to arrest the perpetrator(s) . They might commit more killings while their not being caught in a timely manner. As long as their free it is extremely possible for them to commit killings due to their mental state. Guns are the good civilians from the increased amount of crimes in general. If you take guns away there would be a uptick in crime, because citizens would be unable to protect themselves and taking the thought of this person might be armed mentality from the criminals. They would be able to commit any crime that is desired without resistance or consequence from the civilian. Not to mention the issue of National Security. You wonder why it would affect the National Security? Our adversaries are aware of the gun population of civilians. They are less likely to invade due to the fact they would not only have to fight the military but they would undoubtedly fight the armed civilians. Let鈥檚 say our government is overrun by our adversaries the citizens will not so easily be in the position of the occupying regime 鈥渟 atrocities that are so prevalent in occupied areas. ETC.
@windinhishair mental health issues run deep in the US. . Why have the shootings鈥檚 risen in the US ? Maybe because of the rise of mental health? All have the common issues of out of touch with reality and basic mental problems. They also list a mass shooting as four people. That could be gang violence or explained ( some times in their trials they either get a lack of proper discipline due to them being mentally I鈥檒l or challenged) I believe that mass shooters and the other shootings are because they are in the wrong state of mind (mentally unstable) . You should agree that all heinous shootings are committed by those who are not in the right mind (mentally challenged ). I don鈥檛 believe it is because of guns. Even if Guns were eliminated from the equation the killings would be slowed for a while, but when alternative measures are found out they would rise. Or possibly create less people killed at once, but instead of killing in mass quantities the would raise the murder rate due to multiple killings to achieve an amount equivalent to what would be equivalent of mass killings . Which may even lead to more killings due to it taking longer to arrest the perpetrator(s) . They might commit more killings while their not being caught in a timely manner. As long as their free it is extremely possible for them to commit killings due to their mental state. Guns are the good civilians from the increased amount of crimes in general. If you take guns away there would be a uptick in crime, because citizens would be unable to protect themselves and taking the thought of this person might be armed mentality from the criminals. They would be able to commit any crime that is desired without resistance or consequence from the civilian. Not to mention the issue of National Security. You wonder why it would affect the National Security? Our adversaries are aware of the gun population of civilians. They are less likely to invade due to the fact they would not only have to fight the military but they would undoubtedly fight the armed civilians. Let鈥檚 say our government is overrun by our adversaries the citizens will not so easily be in the position of the occupying regime 鈥渟 atrocities that are so prevalent in occupied areas. ETC.
@specman Thank you for these thoughts, which you have obviously deeply considered. But there remains one fact that you can't explain: why are these mass shootings unique to the US? Other countries have guns. Other countries have stressors that people have to deal with. Other countries have populations with similar genetic makeup. The one thing the US has that these countries don't is ready access to guns specifically designed for mass killings. That is the root cause that must be dealt with.
You seem to confuse banning a particular type of weapon with a total ban of guns. You can ban the type of weapons that are favored in these mass killings without banning other types of guns that can be used for self-protection. We did that before. And it worked. You don't need a weapon that can fire hundreds of rounds per minute for self-protection.
No one wants to ban all guns. But we can no longer afford to live in a society that promotes the use of weapons of mass murder. We just can't.
[quote]mental health issues run deep in the US.[/quote]
Got it, so the problem is that there's something in the water that makes us nuts. I think scientists identified the source of the bad water.
[quote]Our adversaries are aware of the gun population of civilians.[/quote]
I'm going out on a limb here, and we're spitballing here, but I would also propose that they're fully aware of our massive inventory of military aircraft, drones, tanks, guided missiles, artillery, satellites and superbly equipped armed forces.
@Northwest I鈥檓 not insinuating their is something is in the water. I mean I guess you could think that. I don鈥檛 know what the cause is factually. If I knew the reason( s) I would be a rich man.
@windinhishair I can relate to you! You have some good points. To be honest I don鈥檛 think the solution is known for sure by anyone. We can only speculate. Guessing for an answer is not that effective. Times have changed since we last ban some rifles, criminals are adapting somehow to circumvent the laws. Assault rifles would still be accessible to criminals but not to the law abiding citizens who would no longer be able to protect themselves from these banned weapons. The typical law abiding citizen keep these assault weapons at home for defense and hunting or target shooting. You might say you don鈥檛 need them for hunting. My ex thought I didn鈥檛 need a fast car that I used for drag racing at the Houston Raceway track on safe street nights. Just because she thought that didn鈥檛 mean that people didn鈥檛 need them to race with. I personally use mine for hunting due to longer times for reloading the multiple shots if needed before reloading. In my case I don鈥檛 have a scope or any special optics. For quicker response in targeting I can rapid fire to chase the game with the bullet if desired ( I don鈥檛 usually use this method because personally I think it to not be as safe as taking the time to at least aim ). The main reason for using and shooting it is I like the feeling of the recoil. The recoil of these weapons are like well I can鈥檛 really explain it .
@specman I can understand enjoying firing these weapons, but given how they have fundamentally changed the nation and its collective psyche, increased our death rates, and lowered our life expectancy, we really need to do something different. Did you ever hear from your parents when you were growing up that you had lost a privilege because it had been abused? That's where we are right now. These weapons have been misused and need to be banned. If that hurts innocent people like yourself who enjoy using them legally, that is unfortunate, but that is where we find ourselves as a nation now. We need to stop the carnage and move forward to ensure a brighter future, and that requires tough decisions.
@windinhishair you made some great points. I still have the same views though. Especially with the climate nowadays. The US has so many adversaries that have become brazen and had sent terrorists into our country as we let illegals flood in. Biden is now getting it. He is finally putting a little more effort as far as the border goes. Look at what happened to Israel. They weren鈥檛 expecting a terrorist attack.
@specman I guess we should just throw our hands up and admit that there is absolutely nothing we can do and that everyone should expect to be part of a mass shooting at least one random time in life.
