Should certain violent crimes, especially predatory crimes, be a one time and your are out (lifetime) sentence?

@MartinTheFirst The context of what? When a violent predator commits a predatory, heinous crime there is no context.

@Ontheroad there is always context?

@Ontheroad and stop calling them monsters, they're violent humans

@MartinTheFirst I didn't call them monsters. I called them predators and that is exactly what this type of criminal does - they prey on the weak and vulnerable.

@MartinTheFirst Again, if a violent, predatory man violently attacks and kidnaps, then kills the woman, what is the context?

@Ontheroad Fair enough, you didn't explicitly call them monsters, you called them predators, but it's equally dehumanizing.

The context is what happened in that event?

@MartinTheFirst This is one of the definitions of a predator: "one who injures or exploits others for personal gain or profit".

The context in this instance is what? A violent, predatory man violently attacks and kidnaps, then kills the woman, what is the context?

@Ontheroad do you not know what context means or...? 😯 I really don't understand the issue

@MartinTheFirst I know exactly what context means. There is no relevant context in the example I gave you, or none I see. If you believe otherwise, then state your case.

@Ontheroad Yes because you didnt tell me any context? Why did he do it? Who was he? Who was the woman? These things matters

@MartinTheFirst I did. A woman was violently attacked, kidnapped and murdered by a predatory male. Nobody knows why he did it other than he has a record of violent behavior which is predatory in nature and one prior violent kidnapping. Not that it matters, but the woman was a teacher, wife and mother of two and neither knew the other. There are no extenuating circumstances that matter one whit.

@Ontheroad Well... whatever you say i guess.

@MartinTheFirst Don't give up so easily. It's perfectly okay to just agree to disagree. Your comments made me think and that in the end is what I was looking for. I can wrong just as easily as I can be right, but without discourse I'll never know when I am wrong. Have a great day.

@Ontheroad It made you think about how to best defend yourself from seeing things from a new point of view. I don't really see that as anything fruitful.

@MartinTheFirst Well of course I didn't change my mind. You didn't give me anything of substance (other than your opinion) which could/would have changed my opinion. However, you did make me think and that is always fruitful.

@Ontheroad of course you didnt

@MartinTheFirst Of course context matters when determining punishments. However, the OP specified "predatory" crimes in his post. Maybe that is your context.

If someone dies by my hand, what am I guilty of? That depends on context.
- Did he start a fight with me and then die in the course of the fight?
- Did I intend for him to die in that moment?
- Did the fight end and then I hunted him and killed him for revenge?
So yes, context matters.

But, OP said predatory crimes. Only my final scenario counts as predatory. I think that's why people object to you saying context matters. The context here is the crime was [b][i]predatory[/i][/b]. If one human preys on another, then yes, I think they've voided their right to freedom card.

@sarabee1995 Why did they do it? For example, is always important context.

@MartinTheFirst Hmmm... Can you give me an example of a "WHY" that would mitigate me hunting someone? We're talking about predators crimes here.

@sarabee1995 well if you felt forced to do it is a great example for why it matters

@MartinTheFirst Again, I can't think of a scenario where I'd be forced to hunt another human being. Once an imminent threat is gone, you have time to go to law enforcement.

I think predatory crimes are an area where the "why" is interesting but not mitigating. Lock 'em up and throw away the key.

@sarabee1995 Because you can't even think of it, you need the context even more. You're not just locking some bad guy up, you're deciding who is the bad guy. That is why we have a freaking judge 😁

@MartinTheFirst I'm curious. Are you disagreeing just to disagree? A criminal who commits predatory crimes is a predator. A predatory act is an act of one who commits the act naturally, as in it is who this person is... a predator. A predator does not become anything but a more skilled and experienced predator. Time and again these predators have been given bail, probation and/or been given early release for good behavior. Invariably, they go on to commit other, often more heinous acts of predation. A predator, regardless of context, will continue to commit predatory acts. End of story.

@Ontheroad How did you decide they're a predator in the first place? Did someone just tell you "Hey they're a predator", or did you actually look at the context... your reasoning is baffling on many levels

@MartinTheFirst The details of the crime itself, mental evaluations, and the criminals previous crimes, if any are a few ways to make the determination. That the crime itself is classified a crime of predation is another.

I do see what you are trying to get at, but the context here is different than the context in/on which a defense might be launched.