ICE is now camping out in front of courthouses to arrest people before they can enter the courthouse to defend themselves. Do you approve?
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ElwoodBlues · M
@MarineBob Have you ever watched a cop show on TV?? Remember the part where they say
Mathews v. Diaz 1976 including citations of prior rulings.
Even one whose presence in this country is unlawful, involuntary, or transitory is entitled to that constitutional protection.
Thank you, SCOTUS for being clear, unambiguous, and leaving zero wiggle room.
You have the right to remain silent. Anything you say can and will be used against you in a court of law. You have the right to an attorney. If you cannot afford an attorney, one will be provided for you.
Those are due process rights. And everyone within our borders gets the same due process rights. Need to see what SCOTUS has ruled??Mathews v. Diaz 1976 including citations of prior rulings.
There are literally millions of aliens within the jurisdiction of the United States. The Fifth Amendment, as well as the Fourteenth Amendment, protects every one of these persons from deprivation of life, liberty, or property without due process of law. Wong Yang Sung v. McGrath, 339 U. S. 33, 339 U. S. 48-51; Wong Wing v. United States, 163 U. S. 228, 163 U. S. 238; see Russian Fleet v. United States, 282 U. S. 481, 282 U. S. 489. Even one whose presence in this country is unlawful, involuntary, or transitory is entitled to that constitutional protection. Wong Yang Sung, supra; Wong Wing, supra.
Even one whose presence in this country is unlawful, involuntary, or transitory is entitled to that constitutional protection.
Thank you, SCOTUS for being clear, unambiguous, and leaving zero wiggle room.
pdockal · 56-60, M
@ElwoodBlues
while the Constitution does not guarantee illegal immigrants the same rights as citizens, it does protect them from arbitrary actions and ensures that they are treated fairly under the law.
The "border search exception" allows for warrantless searches at or near the border, even without probable cause
Immigration officers can also enter a home with the consent of the resident.
immigration officers can also detain someone if they have "reason to believe" the person is likely to abscond (run away) before a warrant can be obtained
ICE officers can use administrative warrants (issued by immigration officials) to arrest individuals suspected of violating immigration laws, and these do not require a judge's signature
while the Constitution does not guarantee illegal immigrants the same rights as citizens, it does protect them from arbitrary actions and ensures that they are treated fairly under the law.
The "border search exception" allows for warrantless searches at or near the border, even without probable cause
Immigration officers can also enter a home with the consent of the resident.
immigration officers can also detain someone if they have "reason to believe" the person is likely to abscond (run away) before a warrant can be obtained
ICE officers can use administrative warrants (issued by immigration officials) to arrest individuals suspected of violating immigration laws, and these do not require a judge's signature
ElwoodBlues · M
@pdockal says
Tell us, please, @pdockal, what law you believe gives tRump's national secret police force these powers above and beyond those granted by the Constitution. What law??
tRump's national secret police on the job in Chicago on June 17th
tRump's unmarked unidentified national secret police "detaining" a woman in Somverville MA
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while the Constitution does not guarantee illegal immigrants the same rights as citizens
DEAD WRONG!!! Did you fail to read the decisions I posted above?? Here's more, from the current SCOTUS: “It is well established that the Fifth Amendment entitles aliens to due process of law” in the context of removal proceedings. Reno v. Flores, 507 U. S. 292, 306 (1993). So, the detainees are entitled to notice and opportunity to be heard “appropriate to the nature of the case.” Mullane v. Central Hanover Bank & Trust Co., 339 U. S. 306, 313 (1950). More specifically, in this context, AEA detainees must receive notice after the date of this order that they are subject to removal under the Act. The notice must be afforded within a reasonable time and in such a manner as will allow them to actually seek habeas relief in the proper venue before such removal occurs.
U.S. vs J.G.G. April 7 2025 Immigration officers can also enter a home with the consent of the resident.
Not without a legal search warrant signed by a judge!! immigration officers can also detain someone if they have "reason to believe" the person is likely to abscond (run away) before a warrant can be obtained
This is called a "terry stop" and is limited to 20 minutes, at the location of the stop. Moving a person elsewhere requires probable cause and arrest.Tell us, please, @pdockal, what law you believe gives tRump's national secret police force these powers above and beyond those granted by the Constitution. What law??
ICE officers can use administrative warrants (issued by immigration officials) to arrest individuals
Haven't you been paying attention?? ICE isn't arresting, ICE is "detaining," with denial of Habeas Corpus rights.tRump's national secret police on the job in Chicago on June 17th
tRump's unmarked unidentified national secret police "detaining" a woman in Somverville MA
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Mar 27, 2025
Rumeysa Ozturk, 30, a Turkish national and doctoral student at Tufts University has been detained by U.S. Department of Homeland Security agents for her pro-Palestinian advocacy.
Ozturk had just left her home in Somerville on Tuesday night when she was stopped, lawyer Mahsa Khanbabai said in a petition filed in Boston federal court. AP obtained video of the arrest and it shows Ozturk being detained by multiple masked U.S. Department of Homeland Security agents.
U.S. District Judge Indira Talwani issued an order giving the government until Friday to answer why Ozturk was being detained. Talwani also ordered that Ozturk not be moved outside the District of Massachusetts without 48 hours advance notice.
But as of Wednesday evening, the U.S. Immigration and Custom Enforcement’s online detainee locator system listed her as being held at the South Louisiana ICE Processing Center in Basile, Louisiana.
Rumeysa Ozturk, 30, a Turkish national and doctoral student at Tufts University has been detained by U.S. Department of Homeland Security agents for her pro-Palestinian advocacy.
Ozturk had just left her home in Somerville on Tuesday night when she was stopped, lawyer Mahsa Khanbabai said in a petition filed in Boston federal court. AP obtained video of the arrest and it shows Ozturk being detained by multiple masked U.S. Department of Homeland Security agents.
U.S. District Judge Indira Talwani issued an order giving the government until Friday to answer why Ozturk was being detained. Talwani also ordered that Ozturk not be moved outside the District of Massachusetts without 48 hours advance notice.
But as of Wednesday evening, the U.S. Immigration and Custom Enforcement’s online detainee locator system listed her as being held at the South Louisiana ICE Processing Center in Basile, Louisiana.
pdockal · 56-60, M
@ElwoodBlues
Misinformation and rumors concerning U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement’s (ICE) presence in neighborhoods conducting enforcement operations continues to be promoted without merit by those with political agendas. Allegations that ICE is violating its sensitive locations policy are completely false.
ICE does not conduct patrols, raids, or sweeps looking for illegal aliens. Individuals and groups making such accusations are doing nothing but fearmongering and in turn, putting the public and our officers at risk. ICE strictly conducts targeted enforcement actions and continues to focus its limited resources first and foremost on those who pose the greatest threat to public safety,” said John Fabbricatore, acting field office director, ICE ERO, Denver. “Our officers are professionals who uphold the law as written by Congress. If anyone has an issue with the law, they need to take it to their Congressional representative and stop directing their frustrations with the law at federal employees.
ICE does not target aliens indiscriminately; the agency conducts investigations and gathers intelligence on specific individuals and targets them for immigration enforcement.
ICE officers are sworn federal law enforcement officers who operate within the confines of the law. Section 287 of the Immigration and Nationality Act provides ICE officers the authority to arrest aliens without a judicial warrant.
In fact, no judge in this country has the authority to issue a warrant for a civil immigration violation. Congress, by statute, vested this authorization solely to supervisory immigration officers.
Local police officers don’t need a warrant when they encounter someone breaking the law in a public space, and the same holds true for ICE officers.
Obstructing or otherwise interfering with an ICE arrest is a crime, and anyone involved may be subject to prosecution under federal law. In addition, encouraging others to interfere or attempt to obstruct an arrest is extremely reckless and places all parties in jeopardy.
Misinformation and rumors concerning U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement’s (ICE) presence in neighborhoods conducting enforcement operations continues to be promoted without merit by those with political agendas. Allegations that ICE is violating its sensitive locations policy are completely false.
ICE does not conduct patrols, raids, or sweeps looking for illegal aliens. Individuals and groups making such accusations are doing nothing but fearmongering and in turn, putting the public and our officers at risk. ICE strictly conducts targeted enforcement actions and continues to focus its limited resources first and foremost on those who pose the greatest threat to public safety,” said John Fabbricatore, acting field office director, ICE ERO, Denver. “Our officers are professionals who uphold the law as written by Congress. If anyone has an issue with the law, they need to take it to their Congressional representative and stop directing their frustrations with the law at federal employees.
ICE does not target aliens indiscriminately; the agency conducts investigations and gathers intelligence on specific individuals and targets them for immigration enforcement.
ICE officers are sworn federal law enforcement officers who operate within the confines of the law. Section 287 of the Immigration and Nationality Act provides ICE officers the authority to arrest aliens without a judicial warrant.
In fact, no judge in this country has the authority to issue a warrant for a civil immigration violation. Congress, by statute, vested this authorization solely to supervisory immigration officers.
Local police officers don’t need a warrant when they encounter someone breaking the law in a public space, and the same holds true for ICE officers.
Obstructing or otherwise interfering with an ICE arrest is a crime, and anyone involved may be subject to prosecution under federal law. In addition, encouraging others to interfere or attempt to obstruct an arrest is extremely reckless and places all parties in jeopardy.
ElwoodBlues · M
@pdockal says
I've provided names, places, photos and videos of tRump's national secret police at work. I've provided legal citations from SCOTUS cases affirming that EVERYONE within our US borders has due process rights.
What's really happening on the ground is that tRump's national secret police have "detained" US citizens and denied their proof of citizenship!!
You mention "Section 287 of the Immigration and Nationality Act" but you fail to mention the ways in which it is superceded by Ronald Reagan's 1986 asylum laws. When two laws conflict, the newer law takes precedence.
Misinformation and rumors
That's an excellent title for your post full of unsubstantiated claims!!I've provided names, places, photos and videos of tRump's national secret police at work. I've provided legal citations from SCOTUS cases affirming that EVERYONE within our US borders has due process rights.
the agency conducts investigations and gathers intelligence on specific individuals and targets them for immigration enforcement.
RIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIGHTWhat's really happening on the ground is that tRump's national secret police have "detained" US citizens and denied their proof of citizenship!!
Earlier this year, Jensy Machado, a Northern Virginia man who voted for Trump, was handcuffed by ICE agents. A spokesperson for ICE said Machado “matched the description of the subject of an operation.” Machado is now reconsidering his vote for the president and said ICE agents are “just following Hispanic people.”
A U.S.-born citizen who was wrestled into the dirt, handcuffed and detained in a vehicle as part of an immigration raid had a REAL ID on him that was dismissed as fake, the man's cousin said Friday.
Video of the arrest, aired by Noticias Telemundo, showed authorities grabbing Leonardo Garcia Venegas, 25, while at a job site in Foley, Alabama, on Wednesday and bending his arms behind him. Someone off-camera can be heard yelling, "He's a citizen."
Garcia told Noticias Telemundo that authorities took his ID from his wallet and told him it was fake before handcuffing him. REAL ID is the identification U.S. citizens are required by law to have in order to travel through airports and enter federal buildings. It is considered a higher security form of identification.
"Apparently a REAL ID is not valid anymore. He has a REAL ID," his cousin Shelah Venegas said. "We all made sure we have the REAL ID and went through the protocols the administration is asking for. ... He has his REAL ID and then they see him and I guess because his English isn't fluent and/or because he's brown it's fake, it's not real."
A U.S.-born citizen who was wrestled into the dirt, handcuffed and detained in a vehicle as part of an immigration raid had a REAL ID on him that was dismissed as fake, the man's cousin said Friday.
Video of the arrest, aired by Noticias Telemundo, showed authorities grabbing Leonardo Garcia Venegas, 25, while at a job site in Foley, Alabama, on Wednesday and bending his arms behind him. Someone off-camera can be heard yelling, "He's a citizen."
Garcia told Noticias Telemundo that authorities took his ID from his wallet and told him it was fake before handcuffing him. REAL ID is the identification U.S. citizens are required by law to have in order to travel through airports and enter federal buildings. It is considered a higher security form of identification.
"Apparently a REAL ID is not valid anymore. He has a REAL ID," his cousin Shelah Venegas said. "We all made sure we have the REAL ID and went through the protocols the administration is asking for. ... He has his REAL ID and then they see him and I guess because his English isn't fluent and/or because he's brown it's fake, it's not real."
You mention "Section 287 of the Immigration and Nationality Act" but you fail to mention the ways in which it is superceded by Ronald Reagan's 1986 asylum laws. When two laws conflict, the newer law takes precedence.
8 U.S. Code § 1158 - Asylum
(a) Authority to apply for asylum
(1) In general Any alien who is physically present in the United States or who arrives in the United States (whether or not at a designated port of arrival and including an alien who is brought to the United States after having been interdicted in international or United States waters), irrespective of such alien’s status, may apply for asylum in accordance with this section or, where applicable, section 1225(b) of this title.
(a) Authority to apply for asylum
(1) In general Any alien who is physically present in the United States or who arrives in the United States (whether or not at a designated port of arrival and including an alien who is brought to the United States after having been interdicted in international or United States waters), irrespective of such alien’s status, may apply for asylum in accordance with this section or, where applicable, section 1225(b) of this title.