The idea of sending criminals who are repeat offenders to foreign countries is circulating… Now that’s a good idea.
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ElwoodBlues · M
Did you think threats of dire punishment would deter crime? Look at the history, it doesn't.
In England in the early 1800s they really maximized use of the death penalty. By the mid 1800s they reduced the number of death penalty crimes because it wasn't working.
This is from "author Richard Clark who started the Capital Punishment UK website in 1995" by way of quora
https://www.quora.com/Are-there-any-recorded-cases-of-anyone-in-19th-Century-England-being-executed-for-stealing-bread-If-yes-can-you-give-specific-examples
Charles Dickens included story somewhere about a person hanged for stealing a loaf of bread. No one has ever confirmed such a case. Some fairly young kids were hanged though.
Crime is mostly caused by poverty and desperation; next by jealousy. Harsh penalties haven't had a big effect with either cause. Reducing poverty is the best way to reduce crime. Ultimately social reform reduced crime in England; not harsher penalties.
In England in the early 1800s they really maximized use of the death penalty. By the mid 1800s they reduced the number of death penalty crimes because it wasn't working.
In the 17th century offenses carrying the death penalty numbered about 50, but this soared to to 160 by 1750 and to more than 200 by 1815 - giving rise to the name the Bloody Code.
Mr Clark [see below] has detailed recently released archival information involving 1.4 million criminal trials which took place in England and Wales from 1791 to 1892.
During that period 222 crimes were punishable by death and more than 10,000 men, women and children heard the judge order that they be taken to a place of execution and 'be hanged by the neck until dead'.
After 1838 the number of executions decreased rapidly, both for adults and young offenders, as the number of capital crimes reduced and public attitudes changed.
Mr Clark [see below] has detailed recently released archival information involving 1.4 million criminal trials which took place in England and Wales from 1791 to 1892.
During that period 222 crimes were punishable by death and more than 10,000 men, women and children heard the judge order that they be taken to a place of execution and 'be hanged by the neck until dead'.
After 1838 the number of executions decreased rapidly, both for adults and young offenders, as the number of capital crimes reduced and public attitudes changed.
This is from "author Richard Clark who started the Capital Punishment UK website in 1995" by way of quora
https://www.quora.com/Are-there-any-recorded-cases-of-anyone-in-19th-Century-England-being-executed-for-stealing-bread-If-yes-can-you-give-specific-examples
Charles Dickens included story somewhere about a person hanged for stealing a loaf of bread. No one has ever confirmed such a case. Some fairly young kids were hanged though.
1814 – Five Children under the Age of 14 Hanged at the Old Bailey – Children in Victorian Prisons
Punishments were swift and harsh. In 1814, five children under the age of fourteen were hanged at the Old Bailey. One was a young man named William Potter who was hanged for ‘cutting down an orchard.’ Many other received months of hard labor for petty crimes. George Davey, age ten, was sentenced to a month’s hard labor for stealing two tame rabbits. Other found themselves in jail for stealing food and blankets. One eight year old young man identified by his sleeve number, No. 6, was asked by he was imprisoned, “for not moving on, Sir” was his answer. Sounds like Joe in Bleak House, only No. 6 didn’t even have Tom-all-Alone’s. No. 6 had no one and nothing.
https://revisitingdickens.wordpress.com/2012/04/06/1814-five-children-under-the-age-of-14-hanged-at-the-old-bailey-children-in-victorian-prisons/Punishments were swift and harsh. In 1814, five children under the age of fourteen were hanged at the Old Bailey. One was a young man named William Potter who was hanged for ‘cutting down an orchard.’ Many other received months of hard labor for petty crimes. George Davey, age ten, was sentenced to a month’s hard labor for stealing two tame rabbits. Other found themselves in jail for stealing food and blankets. One eight year old young man identified by his sleeve number, No. 6, was asked by he was imprisoned, “for not moving on, Sir” was his answer. Sounds like Joe in Bleak House, only No. 6 didn’t even have Tom-all-Alone’s. No. 6 had no one and nothing.
Crime is mostly caused by poverty and desperation; next by jealousy. Harsh penalties haven't had a big effect with either cause. Reducing poverty is the best way to reduce crime. Ultimately social reform reduced crime in England; not harsher penalties.
SatanBurger · 36-40, FVIP
@ElwoodBlues maga people remind me of the Victorian times, is it just me or is this time period literally being recreated?
That broke my heart. What kind of people murder children for cutting down orchards or stealing food when they're hungry
1814 – Five Children under the Age of 14 Hanged at the Old Bailey – Children in Victorian Prisons
That broke my heart. What kind of people murder children for cutting down orchards or stealing food when they're hungry
ElwoodBlues · M
@SatanBurger I think both groups are rigid idealogues, that's why they seem similar. And it apparently leads to a tinge of sadism in both.
Yeah, there were a lot of terrible things about the Victorian era; and Dickens put his considerable talents to alerting people to the horrors.
Yeah, there were a lot of terrible things about the Victorian era; and Dickens put his considerable talents to alerting people to the horrors.
Roundandroundwego · 61-69
No, it's hostile and cruel. Americans respond to that talk by rallying around the two parties in Washington and telling us anti war, pro socialism people that we're next! No change since fascism took you through your robber baron days and you roared through the twenties in pain, and then depressed everyone to crush socialism. No chance of less brutality.
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Roundandroundwego · 61-69
@Heavenlywarrior crime is less common than ever and reducing inequality will definitely help people be safer.
SatanBurger · 36-40, FVIP
@Heavenlywarrior They used to hang people but we still had bank robbers, the idea of tough on crime never works but I'm not going to bother to explain it to insane people. Insanity is doing the same thing over and over again, expecting different results. Statistics show things like poverty, trauma, PTSD and lack of resources contribute to crime and in countries where rehabilitation (not the corporate kind) has been implemented has seen a 60% reduction in reoffending rates.
Tough on crime doesn't work when you assume there's no environmental factors that contribute to it and instead of doing the extra hard work of taking care of it, you say "ship them to another country, that will teach them." No it won't actually
Tough on crime doesn't work when you assume there's no environmental factors that contribute to it and instead of doing the extra hard work of taking care of it, you say "ship them to another country, that will teach them." No it won't actually
Mesthartiya · M
@Heavenlywarrior Australia?
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Heavenlywarrior · 36-40, M
@jshm2 I’m sure there’s some arrangements for capitalism sake
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basilfawlty89 · 36-40, M
Heavenlywarrior · 36-40, M
@basilfawlty89 human microchips will be first implanted to prove citizenship and not a terrorist. Then the global genocide under one cause will begin.
basilfawlty89 · 36-40, M
@Heavenlywarrior bath salts aren't the good kind of drugs, buddy.
Heavenlywarrior · 36-40, M
@basilfawlty89 Elon musk created Neuralink and already chipping humans
wildbill83 · 41-45, M
Heavenlywarrior · 36-40, M
@wildbill83 right… I say drop them off in a jungle in one of the foreign countries alert the heads of countries that there is a manhunt for them, if they survive the jungle make sure guards are waiting for them before they enter any near civilization