Just a reminder -This bipartisan gun thing is now probably unconstitutional under Bruen

We didn't have permits, red flag laws, or boyfriend loopholes in 1789.

Let's hope Roberts, Kavanaugh and Alito will remember they only concurred if this passes and goes to for a challenge under Thomas' public interest is irrelevant Bruen Standard.

Honestly, I doubt it would, but I'm not a judge pretending to rewrite history to justify a political agenda or make the entire rest of the Constitution subservient to a non-enumerated right to self defense.

When the Second Amendment’s plain text covers an individual’s conduct, the Constitution presumptively protects that conduct. The government must then justify its regulation by demonstrating that it is consistent with the Nation’s historical tradition of firearm regulation. Only then may a court conclude that the individual’s conduct falls outside the Second Amendment’s “unqualified command.”

https://www.scotusblog.com/2022/06/in-6-3-ruling-court-strikes-down-new-yorks-concealed-carry-law/

https://www.politico.com/news/2022/06/23/congress-bipartisan-gun-package-00041701

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MistyCee

@Fukfacewillie Thomas is trying really hard to be Scalia, but he's not, and for that matter, there's no Ginsburg around to really effectively call him out, although they tried their best.

You can pull out pieces and parts, like "sensitive places" and "shall issue" vs "may issue", and the inarticulated prior restraint thing, and theres squirly language to make the outcome determinative historical analysis seem a little less idiotic, but once a court decides the right to self defense is implicated, all other rights and public interests are immaterial.

It fits with the abortion thing in terms of "originalism", but I think this piece of dreck opinion will hurt the country far worse if it's not ignored by lower courts and legislatures or relatively swiftly "limited" by a subsequent opinion.

I'm struggling at the moment to recall a worse SCOTUS decision, but this one seems way worse than Korematsu, Dred Scott, Lochner or the Insular cases.

Honestly, this "majority" opinion looks like something deliberately aimed at not only stifling progress, but also destroying a primary reason we have any government, i.e., protecting citizens from other citizens.

I do get, by the way, that that may be the point, and that deconstructing government and emasculating "liberal" notions like the public good and rights of others may be the goal.

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TexChik · F

@MistyCee Thomas, as you might recall, was brutalized by biden during his confirmation. biden went above and beyond the boundaries of decency to try and force him to with draw. Thomas withstood savage racism and classless attacks to become a justice on the supreme court. I dont pretend for one second that his horrible treatment by biden and the libs did not affect the way he approached this case. But one thing is clear... the second amendment is now set in stone again and mass shootings in this country will decline now that there is no chance of gaining any traction with the lib desire to disarm America, just like they did when obama got a resounding defeat in congress.

Given this new affirmation, I suspect the 10 rinos in the senate that chose to vote for the lib gun control bill will live to regret their decision to part with the party because they are now on record as supporting what is likely an unconstitutional bill

BetweenKittensandRiots · 36-40, MVIP

@MistyCee [media=https://youtu.be/0aXczS1t5EM] far more important to actually have the right goals than to be GOOD At getting your way.

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BetweenKittensandRiots · 36-40, MVIP

@MistyCee He was one of the ones who sold this country out to the highest. bidder in citizens united vs the federal elections comission. Tell me again that him being EFFECTIVE was a merit in his favor? Him being FECKLESS and ineffective would have SAVED us from the DAMAGE he would unleash and we'd ALL BETTER for it.

I'm a HARDCORE consequentalist and I honestly think if someone had SHOT That gas bag and killed him before he could do the damage he did the consequneces would have been GOOD. THE WHOLE NATION Would be beter for it.

So I couldn't care less about "Effective."

Not only am I glad he's dead I'm PROUD to be glad he's dead.

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TexChik · F

The supreme court, by a large majority, just told the libs that the 2A is off limits and that it will be upheld.

MistyCee

@TexChik It told more than that though, and not just to libs.

It told judges and legislatures that as long as there's no historical precedent justifying it (discounting post 1789 precedents), no other individual rights or public interests should be considered in deciding whether anything that implicates man's right to defend himself against others will matter.

Thankfully, three Justices merely concurred in the result, ie, the statute at issue, so it's not a "large majority" explicitly telling the country that their rights to life are irrelevant as compared to the right to self defense, but you're pretty much right, in that the Court has sent a pretty clear message that governmental interest in protecting human lives are not as important as protecting individual rights to defend themselves.

Congratulations, if you're happy about this development. I'm not, and whether or not I live through this revolution/rejection the ideas that led to civilization, or not, I'm not happy. Just my opinion. I like humanity.

TexChik · F

@MistyCee Again, this government has no interest in protecting human lives. They promote human trafficking and pedophila, they promote killing any child in the womb they can. They stood by and cheered as their radical thugs destroyed and killed during the 8 months prior to the election in 2020. They are in favor of injecting children to prevent puberty, they are in favor of injecting children with mRNA vaccines that are proven to harm and proven not to work, they were in favor of violating the constitution and people's civil rights if they did not subject themselves to the vaccine. They were in favor of denying them food, basic services, or work if they did not get vaccinated. They put covid patients in nursing home knowing it would decimate them. They are buring down food processing plants and are threatening mass violence if their "right" to continue the genocide of the unborn is stripped away by the supreme court. They only want power and wealth. The public interest does not interest them.

Fukfacewillie · 56-60, M

Seems like there is an absolute right to self-defense, but not sure where that right ends. Age? Airplanes and courts, maybe? They seem okay with "ex-felons" having no rights. I wouldn't bother with any gun control at this point. It will just get struck down.

LordShadowfire · 46-50, M

I'm hoping they just let it pass. In particular, Judge Kavanaugh has a reason to be worried about civilians with guns now.

MistyCee

@LordShadowfire Wait for it. Cruz, for example, is smart enough and dishonest enough to point out that this bill is Unconstitutional. My guess is, it'll never pass now.

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