On the other hand I really like how in English you can use the passive tense to neither admit guilt nor deny it

@Miram oh I thought you were just using an incidental adjective, I didn't realize it was a distinct category

do you incorporate meat in your process of making it, or just veggies?

being fermented, it makes me wonder how it would go with pu'er tea (which now I am craving because of this)

@SnickersDOM

I make a type from veggies nd dried seafood and another from soy and othee Asian products.

It can go with tea if fried. But I like it alone as a snack while watching documentaries or a side dish with any meal really.

I can also makd a type from red lentils. It takes a day and it is awesome. Not stinky nor fermented though

@Miram ohhh a lentil variant sounds intriguing too, I love lentils in general; now you make me think essentially any legume could be turned into milk and/or curdled into tofu, these possibilities are fascinating