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English question

1. I want very much for John to be on time.

2. I want very much John to be on time.

Which is correct and/or sounds better?

English is not my first language and any suggestions would be highly appreciated.
walabby · M
1.
... but I'm Australian. I might say, "That prick John had better not be late!"...
ninalanyon · 61-69, T
I don't think any of the British English speakers known to me (including myself) would say either one.

If I really wanted those words i would say:
I very much want John to be on time.

But I think the idiomatic informal southern British English would be:
I really want John to be on time.
@ninalanyon agreed. But of the two choices provided, at least the first one is clear on meaning.
@ninalanyon but I very much agree.
Penny · 46-50, F
really the best way to say it in my opinion would be "I really want John to be on time." That would be the simplest I think also stressing how much you want him to be on time lol. Or just "I want John to be on time." Now, if you said, I very much want John to be on time there would be no "for". English grammar can be complicated.
@Penny the for is always okay but it’s only strictly necessary if it’s clearing up some ambiguity.
Penny · 46-50, F
@JustGoneNow yeah i was thinking about it. Spoken it would be fine to leave out the for but written to me it sounds like broken english.
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ArtieKat · M
Although not strictly speaking grammatically correct the more common usage would be "I very much hope (that) John is on time.
DoubleRings · 51-55, F
The way I see it is this…. Maybe I’m wrong idk.
I want John to be on time
. That’s the standard phrase. To put a qualifier in it you could say: I really want John to be on time. The adverb really comes before the verb and so “very much” should also precede the verb. It wouldn’t make sense if you said I want really John to be on time. So very much should not go after the verb either .

In spoken English we screw up the language all the time so if I HAD to pick between the 2 Im more likely to say the first one.
First. John is put in a weird spot in the second and without the for we don’t know what part refers to John.
BarbossasHusband · 36-40, M
I'd say: I want John to be on time very much

(English is my 2nd language too)
deadgerbil · 26-30
Personally, I'd say 'I very much want...'
DeWayfarer · 61-69, M
Most USA people would say 1.

Please note there are Idiosyncrasies in every country. Often even within the same country. This actually applies to most languages. Not just English speaking countries.

High German is definitely not low German.
The second one is correct.
@Penny to be fair, they are both bad. Correct would be “I very much want John to be on time.”
Penny · 46-50, F
@JustGoneNow I do think that sounds okay but I personally would add the "for."
@Penny for still helps to clear up ambiguity, I agree. In that sentence it’s not necessarily needed but it doesn’t hurt.
CestManan · 46-50, F
If you are studying English, there is an app called Hellotalk where people can practice and help others.

Yeah there are sometimes the romance scammers but mostly it is a good site.
therighttothink50 · 56-60, M
I would really appreciate it if John was punctual and always on time.
SpudMuffin · 61-69, M
Both sound a little awkward, though 1 is less ambiguous than 2
Penny · 46-50, F
Number 1 is correct.

 
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