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ElwoodBlues · M
DeWayfarer · 61-69, M
@ElwoodBlues I'm pretty certain he is referring to modern languages as "surface languages" . As compared to the "classical languages"... "greek, arabic , sanskrit".
Even ChatGPT understood that point without prompting. Though ChatGPT understood "classical languages" as ancient languages... Latin, Greek and Aramaic. The biblical languages.
Even ChatGPT understood that point without prompting. Though ChatGPT understood "classical languages" as ancient languages... Latin, Greek and Aramaic. The biblical languages.
ElwoodBlues · M
@DeWayfarer I looked it up, and one of the meanings of surface language was something like the order of the words
Surface language is
the actual, spoken or written form of a sentence, which is the result of a "deep structure" undergoing transformations.
... Multiple surface structures can be created from a single deep structure, which is why sentences can be phrased in many different ways (e.g., "The cat chased the mouse" versus "The mouse was chased by the cat").
That deep structure & transformation stuff sounds like a ref to Chomsky linguistics, but I'm not really sure.the actual, spoken or written form of a sentence, which is the result of a "deep structure" undergoing transformations.
... Multiple surface structures can be created from a single deep structure, which is why sentences can be phrased in many different ways (e.g., "The cat chased the mouse" versus "The mouse was chased by the cat").
DeWayfarer · 61-69, M
@ElwoodBlues a ChatGPT portion taken from our thread...
Must note even this ChatGPT excluded, later included, Arabic and Hebrew as classical languages.
Hebrew is notable for its hierarchy of words.
While Arabic is included for its cultural significance in Greek and Latin...
Understanding "Surface Language"
Definition:
"Surface language" generally refers to modern languages that prioritize practical communication and adaptability over the intricate grammatical structures found in classical languages.
Focus on Functionality:
These languages often emphasize clarity and efficiency, enabling quick exchanges of ideas, especially in scientific or technological contexts.
Contrast with Classical Languages:
Classical languages, such as Latin, Greek, and Sanskrit, typically feature more complex grammar, including noun declensions and multiple genders, as well as rich literary traditions.
Definition:
"Surface language" generally refers to modern languages that prioritize practical communication and adaptability over the intricate grammatical structures found in classical languages.
Focus on Functionality:
These languages often emphasize clarity and efficiency, enabling quick exchanges of ideas, especially in scientific or technological contexts.
Contrast with Classical Languages:
Classical languages, such as Latin, Greek, and Sanskrit, typically feature more complex grammar, including noun declensions and multiple genders, as well as rich literary traditions.
Must note even this ChatGPT excluded, later included, Arabic and Hebrew as classical languages.
Hebrew is notable for its hierarchy of words.
Significance of Hebrew
Cultural and Religious Importance:
Hebrew is foundational in Jewish culture and tradition, serving as the language of the Hebrew Bible and many key religious texts.
Linguistic Complexity:
Like other classical languages, Hebrew has its own unique grammar, including root structures and a system that greatly shapes the meaning of words.
Modern Revival:
Interestingly, Hebrew is also notable for its revival as a spoken language in modern times, making it a unique case among classical languages.
Cultural and Religious Importance:
Hebrew is foundational in Jewish culture and tradition, serving as the language of the Hebrew Bible and many key religious texts.
Linguistic Complexity:
Like other classical languages, Hebrew has its own unique grammar, including root structures and a system that greatly shapes the meaning of words.
Modern Revival:
Interestingly, Hebrew is also notable for its revival as a spoken language in modern times, making it a unique case among classical languages.
While Arabic is included for its cultural significance in Greek and Latin...
Arabic:
Arabic is another rich classical language known for its complex grammar and vast literary tradition. It holds a prominent place in religious, philosophical, and scientific texts throughout history.
Emphasizing All Classical Languages
In discussing classical languages, it’s essential to acknowledge the contributions of Aramaic and Arabic alongside Latin and Greek. Each of these languages offers valuable insights into cultural, religious, and intellectual traditions, shaping our understanding of history and language development.
Arabic is another rich classical language known for its complex grammar and vast literary tradition. It holds a prominent place in religious, philosophical, and scientific texts throughout history.
Emphasizing All Classical Languages
In discussing classical languages, it’s essential to acknowledge the contributions of Aramaic and Arabic alongside Latin and Greek. Each of these languages offers valuable insights into cultural, religious, and intellectual traditions, shaping our understanding of history and language development.
AnonyThinker · 26-30
@ElwoodBlues for example take Electricity
In ancient greek Amber was called elektron. It has the property to attract small pieces of papers when rubbed with cloth. So this quality of elektron became electricity a thing that attracts so when you hear electricity you have picture in you mind, its not that your mind collect information but your existence become aware of the knowledge.
In ancient greek Amber was called elektron. It has the property to attract small pieces of papers when rubbed with cloth. So this quality of elektron became electricity a thing that attracts so when you hear electricity you have picture in you mind, its not that your mind collect information but your existence become aware of the knowledge.
SomeMichGuy · M
@AnonyThinker Electricity doesn't attract in the way you are saying, but the fact that learned people used words from classical languages shows THEIR commitment to continuity and logic in what has become the ISV.
Sometimes wordsmiths are sharp that way.
But lazy pronunciation, consolidating baroque grammar, etc., also transform languages.
Sometimes wordsmiths are sharp that way.
But lazy pronunciation, consolidating baroque grammar, etc., also transform languages.
SomeMichGuy · M
@zonavar68 TRUE