A great little lecture on the origin of Zionism as a secular movement

@Zeuro

This is untrue. Both the Palestinians and Israelis have ancestry that traces back to the Caananites. The genetic evidence and the historical record is aligned on this issue.

https://web.archive.org/web/20210304131003/https://www.nationalgeographic.com/history/article/dna-from-biblical-canaanites-lives-modern-arabs-jews#expand

As early as 1800, there were as many as 275 thousand people living in Palestine. There was migration other parts of the Levant and Egypt and whatnot, sure, but the population growth seen from 1800 to 1950 (or wherever you want to draw the line) is roughly consistent with birth rates seen in developing countries.

@Zeuro The current "Palestinians" were Arabs up until about '67 when the KGB helped Arafat (who was born in Cairo in 1929) cook up the new identity..

@BlueVeins no, actually, that is untrue. And the boom in the Arab population was largely a result of them coming from neighboring countries in the Levant AFTER the first wave of Aliyah. When Jews made the area more livable and desirable by introducing agriculture and business. Also, the region of Canaan was not just Judea and Samaria. So that doesn’t contradict my statement that they come from elsewhere in the Levant. Jews are SPECIFICALLY from Judea and Samaria. Palestinians are not.


Even if both Jews and Palestinians have some ancient Canaanite ancestry, that doesn’t prove equal claims to the land. Lots of modern Middle Eastern groups share ancient DNA, it doesn’t mean they all have direct ties to a specific place like Judea or Samaria. Jewish people maintained a continuous identity tied to that land for thousands of years, while Palestinians didn’t exist as a distinct group until the 20th century.

Also, you’re ignoring the fact that Arab migration into the area increased after Jews began returning and building up the land. That wasn’t just “natural population growth”—it was driven by new economic opportunities created by Jewish communities. So no, the demographics weren’t static, and the Arab population boom didn’t happen in a vacuum.

@Zeuro There is only one (1) Arab on the Israeli supreme court.

@Zeuro Israel's history paints a different picture.

I never been to South Africa in the 1980s or Nazi Germany either. One doesn't have to go somewhere to notice it's humanitarian crimes.

Criticizing Israel on its policies and actions is not antisemtic. Nor does one have to visit a place to criticize it's actions

@Zeuro gloss over and point out one thing that is t true

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli_apartheid

@Zeuro not really my apologies.

@Zeuro my best wishes to everyone.

@Zeuro okay, you win. You happy?

@MartinTheFirst well, I’m glad I was able to correct the record. So sure I guess I’m happy

@Zeuro Good ☺

@Diotrephes still waiting 🥱

@Zeuro
What do you need educating on?

@MethDozer assuming those are anti-Zionist Jews and you didn’t just pull up a random pic of haredim (I’ll give you that benefit of the doubt), the only reason they are considered anti-Zionist is because they believe Israel should only be established after the messiah comes, not before. It has nothing to do with Palestinians

@robb65 exactly

@robb65 Yes I know