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ThePatientAnarchist · 61-69
@Diotrephes I respectfully disagree. That's going too far into conspiracy theory for me to find it plausible.
Diotrephes · 70-79, M
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I base my opinion of what Zionists have publicly stated about the issue.
"The past leaders of our movement left us a clear message to keep Eretz Israel from the Sea to the River Jordan for future generations, for the mass aliya, and for the Jewish people, all of whom will be gathered into this country."
Yitzhak Shamir
"We walked outside, Ben-Gurion accompanying us. Allon repeated his question, What is to be done with the Palestinian population?' Ben-Gurion waved his hand in a gesture which said 'Drive them out!"
Yitzhak Rabin
"Even today I am willing to volunteer to do the dirty work for Israel, to have everyone hate us, to pull the rug from underneath the feet of the Diaspora Jews, so that they will be forced to run to us crying. Even if it means blowing up one or two synagogues here and there, I don’t care."
Ariel Sharon
"If I knew that it would be possible to save all the children in Germany by bringing them over to England and only half of them by transporting them to Eretz Israel, then I opt for the second alternative."
David Ben-Gurion
I respectfully disagree. That's going too far into conspiracy theory for me to find it plausible.
I base my opinion of what Zionists have publicly stated about the issue.
"The past leaders of our movement left us a clear message to keep Eretz Israel from the Sea to the River Jordan for future generations, for the mass aliya, and for the Jewish people, all of whom will be gathered into this country."
Yitzhak Shamir
"We walked outside, Ben-Gurion accompanying us. Allon repeated his question, What is to be done with the Palestinian population?' Ben-Gurion waved his hand in a gesture which said 'Drive them out!"
Yitzhak Rabin
"Even today I am willing to volunteer to do the dirty work for Israel, to have everyone hate us, to pull the rug from underneath the feet of the Diaspora Jews, so that they will be forced to run to us crying. Even if it means blowing up one or two synagogues here and there, I don’t care."
Ariel Sharon
"If I knew that it would be possible to save all the children in Germany by bringing them over to England and only half of them by transporting them to Eretz Israel, then I opt for the second alternative."
David Ben-Gurion
ThePatientAnarchist · 61-69
@Diotrephes I admit that putting quotations like these alongside the actual choices and actions of the Israeli government in recent years leads to grim conclusions. I still hope for better.
WestonTexan · 18-21, M
I think many of us know there’s a difference between Jews and Israel, but there are many people who want you to think they’re the same thing. It’s a problem if you tie your identity to a nation because then you can’t criticize that nation or its government or its army without criticizing an entire ethnic group. There are many Jews who are harsh critics of Israel too. To me they are not the same thing and I would never judge Jewish people in general based on what Israel does.
ThePatientAnarchist · 61-69
@WestonTexan I appreciate how you see this!
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bijouxbroussard · F
I am not Jewish myself, but I have friends and family members who are. Many of them have disagreed with some of the things Israel has done as a country, and so I do understand that difference.
My family is originally from the South, and recently I was told the story of an incident where the lives of my paternal grandfather and his brothers were saved by members of the local Jewish community. This happened over a hundred years ago, and to this day my father will never hear anything unkind said against Jewish people.
My family is originally from the South, and recently I was told the story of an incident where the lives of my paternal grandfather and his brothers were saved by members of the local Jewish community. This happened over a hundred years ago, and to this day my father will never hear anything unkind said against Jewish people.
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ElwoodBlues · M
@Miram says
Conflating between the ethnicity, religion and israel ...
Yes, that conflation is the key problem. Opposing the policies of the nation of Israel should NEVER be conflated with opposing the religion of Judaism nor the Jewish people. That conflation is just a propaganda trick to silence criticism. This meme is how I often oppose that conflation.
ninalanyon · 61-69, T
ThePatientAnarchist · 61-69
@ninalanyon That's a really interesting comparison, thank you.
tobynshorty · 51-55, F
ThePatientAnarchist · 61-69
@tobynshorty If only everyone thought the way you do!
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SomeMichGuy · M
I think disapproval of Netanyahu's incomprehensibly atrocious handling of the situation is very separate from disapproval of Jews, just as disapproval of Putin or Xi or KJU or DJT doesn't mean one disapproves of Russians or Chinese or North Koreans or Americans across the board...I hope.
ThePatientAnarchist · 61-69
@SomeMichGuy I hope so too.
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tenente · 36-40, M
American here. I'm a partner in a metal fabrication business in North Toronto Canada.
My Jewish-Canadian friends and colleagues who live in Toronto have observed an increase in anti-semitism recently. There have been shootings at temples and schools and the Mayor of Toronto refuses to address the anti-semitism directly. It's dangerous to be Jewish in the city of Toronto Canada atm. I cannot say for certain the rest of Canada. Anecdotally I heard from residents of Montreal Canada that there is open hostility towards the large Jewish diaspora there.
My Jewish-Canadian friends and colleagues who live in Toronto have observed an increase in anti-semitism recently. There have been shootings at temples and schools and the Mayor of Toronto refuses to address the anti-semitism directly. It's dangerous to be Jewish in the city of Toronto Canada atm. I cannot say for certain the rest of Canada. Anecdotally I heard from residents of Montreal Canada that there is open hostility towards the large Jewish diaspora there.
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I guess it depends on how you feel about ethnic cleansing.
ThePatientAnarchist · 61-69
@Pitchblue Care to clarify that comment? Assuming you are against ethnic cleansing, and I am guessing you see Israel's actions in Gaza as an example of that -- then what?
StygianKohlrabi · M
ThePatientAnarchist · 61-69
@StygianKohlrabi oh I know they are, but it seems to me they are not as prevalent as some of us fear.
StygianKohlrabi · M
@ThePatientAnarchist I met a black dude at Starbucks and we talked for a while and he saw I was studying Hebrew and asked it I was a Jew. He said it was cool I was learning Hebrew. So he was friendly. but Not everyone is going to reveal their true feelings if they are antisemitic.