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BlueVeins · 26-30
@InterdimensionalSideEye Inevitably, the guiding principles of your political beliefs are going to come to define your political beliefs. That doesn't mean your beliefs are above reproach, just means that 2 methods of going about the same goal are always going to be regarded as more similar than 2 methods of going about two separate, contradictory goals.
@BlueVeins principles shaping beliefs isn’t the issue though. The issue is about how people treat their beliefs to become personal …the debate and discourse becomes impossible.
BlueVeins · 26-30
@InterdimensionalSideEye If you have someone with one set of principles arguing with someone with another, mutually set of principles about each other's beliefs, that debate about beliefs is typically a proxy for a debate over principles. A white supremacist can't convince a Liberal to support segregation by appealing to the latter's values of diversity & inclusion. A socialist can't convince a Conservative to support the redistribution of capital by appealing to the latter's values of economic hierarchy and property rights.
Usually, debates are only fruitful when they're had between two people with similar values because at that point, you're just seeking different ways to get the same end results. I think the main exception to this is probably social democrats & socialists debating each other, since the two groups usually have identical values but differing descriptive beliefs about how the world works.
Usually, debates are only fruitful when they're had between two people with similar values because at that point, you're just seeking different ways to get the same end results. I think the main exception to this is probably social democrats & socialists debating each other, since the two groups usually have identical values but differing descriptive beliefs about how the world works.
@BlueVeins noted but all the labels and hypotheticals doesn’t change the reality when beliefs become identity, reasoning stops, facts stop mattering, and debate dies, yea? Those labels you mention above are just that…you can talk to 10 conservatives and get 10 different ideas….same with all of them. It’s over complicating things.
BlueVeins · 26-30
@InterdimensionalSideEye I think you're reversing causation. When 2 people with different political labels talk, usually it's unproductive. But that's not caused by the labels, that's caused by the differences in values which give rise to that labels in the first place.
