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Makes me curious...

When Trump says he believes Veterans that are killed...injured..or captured are LOSERS.... why do his minions still support a person that is like that? He does not want to be seen with Veterans that are injured or lost limbs in war...saying its bad for his image... YET these minions some are vets and some are not. I just dont understand
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SumKindaMunster · 56-60, M
It's contentious whether or not he actually said that.

Additionally, Biden botched the Afghanistan withdraw, and a perhaps lot of military people care more about what someone does, as opposed to what they say.
black4white · 56-60, M
@SumKindaMunster I don’t think any President has made a good clean leaving of any other country…Trump full on could NOT do it so it you looking at actions you look at that. I know you are just trying to help and thank you

As for him saying that it’s full on 100% FACT that those word at some level came out of his mouth
SumKindaMunster · 56-60, M
@black4white No, sorry not factual. Hearsay.

https://www.snopes.com/news/2023/10/04/donald-trump-call-troops-suckers-losers/
SumKindaMunster · 56-60, M
@black4white Hm, Trump would have overseen the withdraw from Afghanistan had he been re-elected.

As it happened, Biden one and oversaw the withdrawal. It was chaotic and messy to say the least and we lost several soldiers and allies during the withdraw. Biden demanded it be complete on 9/11 to meet a deadline for his own arbitrary timeline.

That's solely on him since Trump was long gone by the time this happened.
black4white · 56-60, M
@SumKindaMunster Totally agree... it is completely on Biden and he messed it up. Not saying otherwise...All i am saying is the Orangeman has his opportunity when he was in office and didnt achieve it.
black4white · 56-60, M
@SumKindaMunster https://youtu.be/NfVQcMM1fK4?t=7 Check that and let me know your thoughts just as @ElwoodBlues posted
SumKindaMunster · 56-60, M
@black4white I'm aware of John Kelly's comments. Perhaps he is telling the truth, perhaps he isn't. It's in his interest to say such things since it will help him sell books and get back in the good graces of people in Washington.
black4white · 56-60, M
@SumKindaMunster Well you and me both know that is perfectly something Orangeman would say ..especially since he was bashing McCain as harsh as he was. The man was a war-hero and Orangeman says... Heroes dont get caught or shot down or what have you. The Orangeman does nothing for anyone and only himself..and if you cant see that then so be it.

I mean are you interested in a person that wants to make USA a dictator style government... i dont care who we have in office..once they start to attack our government and what USA stands for then ya know... ya gotta go...
SumKindaMunster · 56-60, M
@black4white I fully agree, it does sound like something Trump would say. And maybe he did. In private, to what was a trusted confidant. But we have no proof.

I just gotta say, I am not at all moved by your phony concern about what my political wishes are.

I've noted, again and again, your perception of Trump is entirely curated and personal. There are a multitude of fake stories and attributes that the MSM insists is true such as...

He's a Russian asset.
He told people to inject bleach in their veins.
He called White Supremacists "fine people"
He said there would be a literal "bloodbath" if Biden is re-elected.
He said he would be a "dictator" if re-elected.
He conspired with Russia to ask for Hillary Clinton's missing 33k emails.

None of these things are true, not one. So I tend to take things said about Trump with a large grain of salt.

You asked a question here and I gave you my relevant answer. My point was not to rehash the same ol Trump stuff, but answer the question in a way I thought would be helpful to you so you could consider another viewpoint.
black4white · 56-60, M
@SumKindaMunster WOW

I've noted, again and again, your perception of Trump is entirely curated and personal. There are a multitude of fake stories and attributes that the MSM insists is true such as...

He's a Russian asset. - He is Putin puppet.. yes
He told people to inject bleach in their veins. - TRUE he said this...and its on record
He called White Supremacists "fine people" - He said this..and its on record
He said there would be a literal "bloodbath" if Biden is re-elected. - He said this ..and its on record altho taken out of context
He said he would be a "dictator" if re-elected. - He has said this multiple times... that he will be a dictator on day 1
He conspired with Russia to ask for Hillary Clinton's missing 33k emails. - I dont care about this.. he too busy sucking Putin and idolizing Hitler

My view point is i hear what comes out of his mouth... i dont need others to translate for me... he does well enough himself...

The dude is just scary and now you are going to say he didnt have a rant about boats..sharks..and electricity that has nothing to do with anything
SumKindaMunster · 56-60, M
@black4white Then we have nothing further to discuss. Unless of course you want to back up your nonsense with links so I can pick it apart and show you how you were fooled or didn't bother to pay attention.
black4white · 56-60, M
@SumKindaMunster I dont have the time or energy to go back and forth...And why dont YOU take the time to find links and just listen to what he says instead of interpretation what he should be saying
SumKindaMunster · 56-60, M
@black4white I'll start with this one:

No, Trump did not tell people to ingest bleach

https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2020/jul/11/joe-biden/no-trump-didnt-tell-americans-infected-coronavirus/

Trump remarked on the effectiveness of those methods and wondered if they could help address infections in the human body.

Here are his full comments:

"A question that probably some of you are thinking of if you’re totally into that world, which I find to be very interesting. So, supposedly we hit the body with a tremendous, whether it’s ultraviolet or just very powerful light, and I think you said that hasn’t been checked, but you’re going to test it. And then I said supposing you brought the light inside the body, which you can do either through the skin or in some other way. (To Bryan) And I think you said you’re going to test that, too. Sounds interesting, right?"

He continued.

"And then I see the disinfectant, where it knocks it out in one minute. And is there a way we can do something like that, by injection inside or almost a cleaning, because you see it gets in the lungs and it does a tremendous number on the lungs, so it’d be interesting to check that, so that you’re going to have to use medical doctors with, but it sounds interesting to me. So, we’ll see, but the whole concept of the light, the way it kills it in one minute. That’s pretty powerful."

Later, Trump clarified his comments after a reporter asked Bryan whether disinfectants could actually be injected into COVID-19 patients.

"It wouldn’t be through injections, almost a cleaning and sterilization of an area. Maybe it works, maybe it doesn’t work, but it certainly has a big effect if it’s on a stationary object."

Trump did not explicitly recommend ingesting a disinfectant like bleach.
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SumKindaMunster · 56-60, M
@black4white Bwa ha ha! You are something else.

I prove you wrong and your reaction isn't "Gee, I was just proven wrong. Maybe some of the other things I believed weren't true either...."

Rather its ok ok, you are correct on THAT, but what about THIS?

People who have been proven wrong show humility, apologize and try to do better.

You should be doing your own research to see what else you are wrong about.

You should be embarrassed. Being proven wrong by a Trump supporter and all.....

But no, it's just strawman responses.
black4white · 56-60, M
@SumKindaMunster See thats the problem... i dont mind being proven wrong... i dont know EVERYTHING!!! what am i suppose to apologize for being wrong... yeah..wont happen... i say.. ok so i am wrong...
I have been proven wrong often and ya know what..ya live and learn and move on.... please explain what to be embarrassed about? I dont have this "chip" on my should as it appears you do to NOT hear other sides and say..oh ok. does that mean i like OrangeMan... EFFF NO!!! he is nothing but a problem to USA as a whole...starting from him dodging the war with "bone spurs" all the way to his other bull shit he is convicted felon for

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aX0iAmz9iLM NOW you take some time and hear that and then come back and tell me ..He is just saying that to see how people react...

https://www.congress.gov/118/meeting/house/116973/documents/HHRG-118-ED00-20240417-SD006.pdf him trying to side step his own words...

I can do the same as you and find things... the problem is i can admit to being wrong..Can you?
SumKindaMunster · 56-60, M
@black4white So to you...you are hearing Trump say he will be a dictator here...the exact quote if I may...."Only on day 1. I wanna close the border and drill drill drill." The host clarifies, "not retribution.." and then Trump says "No no no, other than day 1".

And you believe that this is a serious and sober explanation of his policy regarding his second term? That he will be a dictator on his first day? And then what? What does drill drill drill even mean?

I hear a man joking in front of a receptive audience with a receptive interviewer. And you believe otherwise? Can you explain why? What is it that you believe is being said here? What do you anticipate happening?

And let me clarify, this video does not mean I am wrong. While you may believe it does, and I will allow in a very pedantic way he does say he will be a dictator...on day 1...but do you really think this means he will be an actual authoritarian style, Pinochet authoritarian leader if he is elected to a second term? I don't, and therefore I find the whole situation ridiculous and don't seriously believe Trump announced he will be a dictator in his second term...I mean, watch it again....you really think that's what is happening here?
SumKindaMunster · 56-60, M
@black4white I see that you doubled up on this post and put a .pdf file that discussed Trump's comments in regards to the Unite the Right event in Charlotsville. What you DIDN'T include was the actual text of the press conference and the relevant exchange that debunks this nonsense. Source linked below, with the relevant text quoted below that.

https://leadstories.com/hoax-alert/2020/08/fact-check-trump-very-fine-people.html

Reporter: (Inaudible) "... both sides, sir. You said there was hatred, there was violence on both sides. Are the --"

Trump: "Yes, I think there's blame on both sides. If you look at both sides -- I think there's blame on both sides. And I have no doubt about it, and you don't have any doubt about it either. And if you reported it accurately, you would say."

Reporter: "The neo-Nazis started this. They showed up in Charlottesville to protest --"

Trump: "Excuse me, excuse me. They didn't put themselves -- and you had some very bad people in that group, but you also had people that were very fine people, on both sides. You had people in that group. Excuse me, excuse me. I saw the same pictures as you did. You had people in that group that were there to protest the taking down of, to them, a very, very important statue and the renaming of a park from Robert E. Lee to another name."

Reporter: "George Washington and Robert E. Lee are not the same."

Trump: "George Washington was a slave owner. Was George Washington a slave owner? So will George Washington now lose his status? Are we going to take down -- excuse me, are we going to take down statues to George Washington? How about Thomas Jefferson? What do you think of Thomas Jefferson? You like him?"

Reporter: "I do love Thomas Jefferson."

Trump: "Okay, good. Are we going to take down the statue? Because he was a major slave owner. Now, are we going to take down his statue?

"So you know what, it's fine. You're changing history. You're changing culture. And you had people -- and I'm not talking about the neo-Nazis and the white nationalists -- because they should be condemned totally. But you had many people in that group other than neo-Nazis and white nationalists. Okay? And the press has treated them absolutely unfairly.

"Now, in the other group also, you had some fine people. But you also had troublemakers, and you see them come with the black outfits and with the helmets, and with the baseball bats. You had a lot of bad people in the other group."
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