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mikeylyksit · 41-45, M
I don't think the unvaccinated should be turned away from hospitals JUST for being unvaccinated. However, some doctor groups have already formed a plan to admit vaccinated people FIRST, if there is a shortage of beds. Oh, and there's a shortage of beds...
It is a perfectly logical plan, from a medical perspective. If we ignore politics, and just view it from a MEDICAL perspective....
There is one bed left in the hospital.
Two patients are very ill with covid, and qualify to be admitted.
Doctors can admit ONE patient.
Who do they admit?
ANSWER: They admit the one that is more likely to leave the hospital on their own two feet. That would be the vaccinated one.
Why is that the right decision from a medical perspective? It's simple Math, really.
Without medical care both people would (likely) die.
WITH medical care, one might live.
Knowing they can only attempt to save one or the other, which one do they try to help?
Well, in the interest of keeping death numbers as low as possible, they have to choose to help the one who is vaccinated.
It boils down to...
1) If we admit the unvaccinated person, there is a good possibility that they both die
2) If we admit the vaccinated person, there is a good possibility that at least one person LIVES
The only way this is a WRONG decision is if you are looking at it from the perspective of the unvaccinated person, or somebody close to that person...
But doctors can't make decisions based on emotion. Doctors have to make decisions all the time about who they CAN save, and who they can't. This decision about admitting people based on vaccination status is just another "factor" that influences the decisions that doctors make all the time.
Don't like it? Don't put yourself in a position to need hospitalization when you aren't vaccinated yet. It is entirely in YOUR power to move yourself to the front of the line...
It is a perfectly logical plan, from a medical perspective. If we ignore politics, and just view it from a MEDICAL perspective....
There is one bed left in the hospital.
Two patients are very ill with covid, and qualify to be admitted.
Doctors can admit ONE patient.
Who do they admit?
ANSWER: They admit the one that is more likely to leave the hospital on their own two feet. That would be the vaccinated one.
Why is that the right decision from a medical perspective? It's simple Math, really.
Without medical care both people would (likely) die.
WITH medical care, one might live.
Knowing they can only attempt to save one or the other, which one do they try to help?
Well, in the interest of keeping death numbers as low as possible, they have to choose to help the one who is vaccinated.
It boils down to...
1) If we admit the unvaccinated person, there is a good possibility that they both die
2) If we admit the vaccinated person, there is a good possibility that at least one person LIVES
The only way this is a WRONG decision is if you are looking at it from the perspective of the unvaccinated person, or somebody close to that person...
But doctors can't make decisions based on emotion. Doctors have to make decisions all the time about who they CAN save, and who they can't. This decision about admitting people based on vaccination status is just another "factor" that influences the decisions that doctors make all the time.
Don't like it? Don't put yourself in a position to need hospitalization when you aren't vaccinated yet. It is entirely in YOUR power to move yourself to the front of the line...
thewindupbirdchronicles · 46-50, M
@mikeylyksit Hospitals already triage upon where they can help the most based off need. That's a known fact. It may hurt, but in the cancer wing, they will take those who no longer smoke than those who still smoke. Hopefully the doctor in that instance, has a little grace in understanding and tells in a compassionate way to the family we must treat other's first.
There is a million examples before that actually approach this subject, but it's riddled with emotion and ideology right now. Myself, I sit on the side of compassion and empathy, treat who you can, and don't blame those ill.
There is a million examples before that actually approach this subject, but it's riddled with emotion and ideology right now. Myself, I sit on the side of compassion and empathy, treat who you can, and don't blame those ill.
wildbill83 · 36-40, M
@mikeylyksit [quote]They admit the one that is more likely to leave the hospital on their own two feet. That would be the vaccinated one.[/quote]
Your "logic" is based on the false assumption that someone with the vaccine is immune and/or most likely to survive.
Your "logic" is based on the false assumption that someone with the vaccine is immune and/or most likely to survive.
mikeylyksit · 41-45, M
@wildbill83 First, it's not my logic. DOCTOR GROUPS are already making decisions based on THEIR logic. And while it's true that nobody is immune, whether they are vaccinated or not...
It is also true that if you are vaccinated, you are MUCH more likely to survive. That's based on hard science, at this point.
So the the doctors who think this way are CORRECT in their logic.
It is also true that if you are vaccinated, you are MUCH more likely to survive. That's based on hard science, at this point.
So the the doctors who think this way are CORRECT in their logic.