Corona Virus kills more Americans in a day than 9/11

@Jackaloftheazuresand He did exactly what America did: minimizing towards trying (and failing) to preserve normalcy. Except at one point they realized, but the west persevered.

Either condemn both or justify both, lol

@Elessar Ongoing wet markets don't exist in the US

@Jackaloftheazuresand No, but intensive farming that sure isn't any safer is still there, last time I checked.

@Elessar didn't cause covid

@Jackaloftheazuresand Neither did wet markets until hard evidence is found, you know, presumption of innocence.

But both are potentially capable of spreading, in fact:
If America handled it much better than China it wouldn't be dealing with over 2k deaths/day now. Don't you think?

@Elessar Bullshit, you don't actually believe that so don't pretend to me that you do. They created the disease with how the government runs their country. Covid in the US is a result of civilian action

@Jackaloftheazuresand Make peace with your brain, was it created in a lab (with no evidence whatsoever proving it) or spread from a wet market (still, with no evidence whatsoever)? Also, if artificial, for what reason? You realize the Chinese economy is primarily reliant on export, and without export their economic situation wasn't too different than its way poorer neighboring countries? In business in general you don't kill your customers, lol

It's a problem if Chinese response wasn't adequate to the point of eliminating the virus [b]globally[/b], but it's 100% justifiable if Americans don't give a shit about it and literally called it a hoax (and still haven't gotten their shit together, with 2k deaths/day only from it), lol

And you talk me about bullshit 😂

@Elessar Equating Trump with civilians is where you're slipping up. The wet markets are acceptable grounds for government control. It's their fault they don't have a better reliance.

@Jackaloftheazuresand lmao, he literally downplayed it since the day it entered his country borders, spread fake news about "treatments" that at best were ineffective (HCQ), at worst were nonsensical and potentially fatal (UV light and disinfectants). He pressured to reopen *before* the epidemiological curve started to go flat. It's difficult to do worse than Trump, too bad you're blinded by faith to realise.

@Elessar And? It was spread because Americans are entitled shits regardless of the president

@Jackaloftheazuresand And surely the outcome would've been different if there wasn't someone enabling behaviour favourable to the virus in charge. Plain and simple.

@Elessar [quote]And surely the outcome would've been different[/quote]

Gotcha! Sounds like someone is making conclusions without evidence. Told you that presumption of innocence was bullshit coming from you

@Jackaloftheazuresand Ha. There is as much evidence as you want of him spreading bullshit, presumption of innocence where?

@Elessar You can't prove that it had the effect you think it did

@Jackaloftheazuresand lol

@Jackaloftheazuresand Ah, for sure supporting revolters against state-mandated lockdowns (see e.g. Michigan), downplaying the situation multiple times (or even implying it'll go away on its own "in April"), and reminding people that "America isn't made to stay closed" must've helped over there. Totally not made things worse. It must be a coincidence that in countries where containment was taken seriously - even China after January paradoxically - the situation is much, much better.

Transmission routes and mechanisms are known, along with the fact Trump contributed to the spread of misinformation amid a global emergency.

@Elessar I say again, you can't prove it so piss off with your fake ass

@Jackaloftheazuresand Actually everyone with a brain and an elementary-school understanding of biology and statistics can. But there are even more thorough reportings of his f*ckups by academics, e.g.

[u]https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-020-03035-4[/u]

@Jackaloftheazuresand This is not on Xi, but on how the rest of the world responded.
Everyone had plenty of warning

@Elessar Not even they have a window to a parallel universe and this is about you. You started as a disingenuous shiteater with me so you'll keep that standing. You want serious consideration from me now then you'll beg me for it otherwise you get the lazy part of my brain.

@Jackaloftheazuresand

"perhaps if we took the stop light seriously, we would not have ended up in a car accident"

you: "SOURCE FOR THIS CLAIM???"

@NoahB You can't even follow the conversation so go sit at the kid table

@Jackaloftheazuresand sounds more like youre not able to follow it

@NoahB I've been here since the beginning and am the subject of it. You have no concept of the flow of it because you are not me or the other party, you know neither of our intentions for this

@Jackaloftheazuresand i mean i agree a big contributing factor of the viruses spread is that americans are shitheads with no sense of social obligation but trump denying the virus and republicans making it into a culture war thing absolutely contributed. completely absurd to deny that. they held rallies denying it