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It's not that some don't care, we just don't get caught up in the media panic BS., and the government micro managing and control. It's fecking stupid. It's like no other disease has [b]ever[/b] existed on earth and no one has ever [b]died[/b] from anything but the virus. BILLONS have died since the beginning of time. There is nothing new under the sun. We gotta see past our nose to the big picture. People have stopped living and that ain't no way to live.
BackyardShaman · 61-69, M
Thank you now blocking you @SW-User
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@BackyardShaman 🤣How will I ever live! Would you like a pacifier with that block.
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paulio · M
@RodneyTrotter they are , and it maybe the first thing ot ocme laong ot breka up their happy party
CM440 · 56-60, C
@RodneyTrotter I really wanted to post when I saw this question, but your response says it all perfectly.
In psychology, it is known that there are four instinctive reactions upon first meeting another person:
- possible friend - attraction
- possible sexual partner or life-mate - attraction
- possible enemy - aversion
- total disinterest, neutral
Most people care far less about others they don't know, and care most about the people who are closest to them.
This is normal.
The reason religions like Christianity and Buddhism try to teach us to "love thy neighbour as thyself" is precisely because most people don't.
How to love has to be learned, practised and cultivated.
In addition, it is estimated that one in twenty people are psychopathic to the extent that they lack empathy for others. In general, it's not born into the way their brains work, but learned in toddlerhood by having uncaring, abusive or violent parents.
When people lack empathy, they don't care about the suffering of people or animals, not even those closest to them.
Many psychopaths are very good at being charming and appearing normal. They will feign caring because they know it's expected. The telltale difference is how they behave when their own interests are at stake.
- possible friend - attraction
- possible sexual partner or life-mate - attraction
- possible enemy - aversion
- total disinterest, neutral
Most people care far less about others they don't know, and care most about the people who are closest to them.
This is normal.
The reason religions like Christianity and Buddhism try to teach us to "love thy neighbour as thyself" is precisely because most people don't.
How to love has to be learned, practised and cultivated.
In addition, it is estimated that one in twenty people are psychopathic to the extent that they lack empathy for others. In general, it's not born into the way their brains work, but learned in toddlerhood by having uncaring, abusive or violent parents.
When people lack empathy, they don't care about the suffering of people or animals, not even those closest to them.
Many psychopaths are very good at being charming and appearing normal. They will feign caring because they know it's expected. The telltale difference is how they behave when their own interests are at stake.
@paulio
Yep.
Under 26, the brain is not yet mature, still impulsive.
It happens in every generation.
But with Covid, I think part of the problem is the youngsters believe that if they get it they'll recover.
They don't take into account that the disease often leaves permanent damage to brain, heart, lung, liver or kidney.
And they don't recognise how dangerous it is to walk around being highly infectious and breathing it on everyone around them.
It means, of course, that those of us who do care have to be even more careful with our masks, distancing and hygiene.
Yep.
Under 26, the brain is not yet mature, still impulsive.
It happens in every generation.
But with Covid, I think part of the problem is the youngsters believe that if they get it they'll recover.
They don't take into account that the disease often leaves permanent damage to brain, heart, lung, liver or kidney.
And they don't recognise how dangerous it is to walk around being highly infectious and breathing it on everyone around them.
It means, of course, that those of us who do care have to be even more careful with our masks, distancing and hygiene.
MrBrownstone · 46-50, M
paulio · M
@MrBrownstone yes idiots, and it takes years to die not days
MrBrownstone · 46-50, M
@paulio Do you eat only healthy food?
paulio · M
@TheOneyouwerewarnedabout i do
BackyardShaman · 61-69, M
Shallow people ignore what they don’t wanna hear
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paulio · M
@Darksideinthenight2 spnaish flu kille dmor epeopel as there wa sno national health car ein europe then and peopel had a bad diet and had just fought in a world war,but the public obeyed their govt and social distanced and managed ot stop itinone year, we will never do that, this will goon for years
@Darksideinthenight2
You're wrong.
The USA has one of the highest death rates due to Covid in the world, and in addition has the highest rate of deaths indirectly related to problems created by Covid, such as people avoiding a hospital when they need one.
In addition, people who recover from severe bouts of the disease often have permanent damage to their brains and cannot resume work. Others have damage to their heart and lungs and suffer severe low energy. Others have damage to their liver or kidneys. Many take more than six months to recover even from mild episodes.
https://www.bmj.com/content/371/bmj.m3948
The US had more than 225 000 excess deaths between March and July this year, and about two thirds of them were due to covid-19, reports a study published online in JAMA by authors from Virginia Commonwealth University School of Medicine and Yale School of Public Health.1
When [b]compared with 18 other countries the US had high covid-19 mortality and high excess mortality[/b], said researchers from Harvard and the University of Pennsylvania.2 If the US had the same death rate as Australia, 187 661 Americans would still be alive, they estimated. If the US had the same death rate as Canada 117 622 Americans would still be alive. It was not clear whether this pattern would continue through the autumn, the authors said.
Deaths in the US and other countries show a regular pattern, increasing in winter and decreasing in summer. When there is an abrupt event such as a pandemic the “excess mortality can be a revealing indicator of the death toll from that event,” said Harvey Fineberg in an editorial in JAMA.3 He is former president of the Institute of Medicine (now the National Academy of Medicine) and current president of the Gordon and Betty Moore foundation in Palo Alto, California
From March to the end of July there were 1 336 561 deaths in the US, a 20% increase over the 1 111 031 expected deaths. Covid-19 was documented as the cause in 67% of the deaths, but the other deaths may also be related to the virus. A study of excess mortality during the early epidemic in March and April showed that 65% of excess deaths were due to covid-19 and other excess deaths were due to Alzheimer’s disease, diabetes, and heart disease in the five states with the most deaths.4
Later excess deaths—from March to the end of July—that were attributed to causes other than covid-19 could reflect deaths from unrecognised or undocumented covid-19 infections or deaths from disruptions caused by the pandemic. Many people did not seek medical attention for apparently serious conditions such as myocardial infarction and strokes because they feared being infected with the covid-19 virus in hospitals.
The increase in deaths relative to expected values ranged from 22% in Rhode Island and Michigan to 65% in New York. The three northeastern states with the highest death rates, New York, New Jersey, and Massachusetts, accounted for 30% of US excess deaths but had the shortest epidemics, the authors wrote.
An international comparison showed that the US had more deaths from covid-19 than any other country and one of the highest cumulative per capita death rates. The US was compared with 17 other countries that were grouped as having low (less than five deaths per 100 000 population), moderate (5-25 deaths per 100 000), or high mortality (more than 25 deaths per 100 000).
The high mortality countries were the Netherlands, France, Sweden, Italy, the UK, Spain, Belgium, and the US. The US mortality rate since the start of the epidemic was 60.3 per 100 000, and the UK mortality rate was 62.6 per 100 000. The low mortality countries, South Korea, Japan, and Australia, had rates of 0.7, 1.2, and 3.3 per 100 000.
The high covid-19 mortality and excess all cause mortality in the US may have been due to a “weak public health infrastructure and a decentralized, inconsistent US response to the pandemic,” the researchers said. Also, the US population is younger than in many comparison countries but has more comorbidities.2
This article is made freely available for use in accordance with BMJ's website terms and conditions for the duration of the covid-19 pandemic or until otherwise determined by BMJ. You may use, download and print the article for any lawful, non-commercial purpose (including text and data mining) provided that all copyright notices and trade marks are retained.
https://bmj.com/coronavirus/usage
References
↵Woolf SH, Chapman DA, Sabo RT, Weinberger DM, Hill L. Excess deaths from covid-19 and other causes, March-July 2020. JAMA2020;324:510-3. doi:10.1001/jama.2020.11787. pmid:32609307CrossRefPubMedGoogle Scholar
↵Bilinski A, Emanuel EJ. Covid-19 and excess all-cause mortality in the US and 18 comparison countries. JAMA2020;(Oct). doi:10.1001/jama.2020.20717.CrossRefGoogle Scholar
↵Fineberg HV. The toll of covid-19. JAMA2020;(Oct). doi:10.1001/jama.2020.20019. pmid:32525535CrossRefPubMedGoogle Scholar
↵Woolf SH, Chapman DA, Sabo RT, Weinberger DM, Hill L. Excess deaths from covid-19 and other causes, March-April 2020. JAMA2020;324:510-3. doi:10.1001/jama.2020.11787. pmid:32609307
You're wrong.
The USA has one of the highest death rates due to Covid in the world, and in addition has the highest rate of deaths indirectly related to problems created by Covid, such as people avoiding a hospital when they need one.
In addition, people who recover from severe bouts of the disease often have permanent damage to their brains and cannot resume work. Others have damage to their heart and lungs and suffer severe low energy. Others have damage to their liver or kidneys. Many take more than six months to recover even from mild episodes.
https://www.bmj.com/content/371/bmj.m3948
The US had more than 225 000 excess deaths between March and July this year, and about two thirds of them were due to covid-19, reports a study published online in JAMA by authors from Virginia Commonwealth University School of Medicine and Yale School of Public Health.1
When [b]compared with 18 other countries the US had high covid-19 mortality and high excess mortality[/b], said researchers from Harvard and the University of Pennsylvania.2 If the US had the same death rate as Australia, 187 661 Americans would still be alive, they estimated. If the US had the same death rate as Canada 117 622 Americans would still be alive. It was not clear whether this pattern would continue through the autumn, the authors said.
Deaths in the US and other countries show a regular pattern, increasing in winter and decreasing in summer. When there is an abrupt event such as a pandemic the “excess mortality can be a revealing indicator of the death toll from that event,” said Harvey Fineberg in an editorial in JAMA.3 He is former president of the Institute of Medicine (now the National Academy of Medicine) and current president of the Gordon and Betty Moore foundation in Palo Alto, California
From March to the end of July there were 1 336 561 deaths in the US, a 20% increase over the 1 111 031 expected deaths. Covid-19 was documented as the cause in 67% of the deaths, but the other deaths may also be related to the virus. A study of excess mortality during the early epidemic in March and April showed that 65% of excess deaths were due to covid-19 and other excess deaths were due to Alzheimer’s disease, diabetes, and heart disease in the five states with the most deaths.4
Later excess deaths—from March to the end of July—that were attributed to causes other than covid-19 could reflect deaths from unrecognised or undocumented covid-19 infections or deaths from disruptions caused by the pandemic. Many people did not seek medical attention for apparently serious conditions such as myocardial infarction and strokes because they feared being infected with the covid-19 virus in hospitals.
The increase in deaths relative to expected values ranged from 22% in Rhode Island and Michigan to 65% in New York. The three northeastern states with the highest death rates, New York, New Jersey, and Massachusetts, accounted for 30% of US excess deaths but had the shortest epidemics, the authors wrote.
An international comparison showed that the US had more deaths from covid-19 than any other country and one of the highest cumulative per capita death rates. The US was compared with 17 other countries that were grouped as having low (less than five deaths per 100 000 population), moderate (5-25 deaths per 100 000), or high mortality (more than 25 deaths per 100 000).
The high mortality countries were the Netherlands, France, Sweden, Italy, the UK, Spain, Belgium, and the US. The US mortality rate since the start of the epidemic was 60.3 per 100 000, and the UK mortality rate was 62.6 per 100 000. The low mortality countries, South Korea, Japan, and Australia, had rates of 0.7, 1.2, and 3.3 per 100 000.
The high covid-19 mortality and excess all cause mortality in the US may have been due to a “weak public health infrastructure and a decentralized, inconsistent US response to the pandemic,” the researchers said. Also, the US population is younger than in many comparison countries but has more comorbidities.2
This article is made freely available for use in accordance with BMJ's website terms and conditions for the duration of the covid-19 pandemic or until otherwise determined by BMJ. You may use, download and print the article for any lawful, non-commercial purpose (including text and data mining) provided that all copyright notices and trade marks are retained.
https://bmj.com/coronavirus/usage
References
↵Woolf SH, Chapman DA, Sabo RT, Weinberger DM, Hill L. Excess deaths from covid-19 and other causes, March-July 2020. JAMA2020;324:510-3. doi:10.1001/jama.2020.11787. pmid:32609307CrossRefPubMedGoogle Scholar
↵Bilinski A, Emanuel EJ. Covid-19 and excess all-cause mortality in the US and 18 comparison countries. JAMA2020;(Oct). doi:10.1001/jama.2020.20717.CrossRefGoogle Scholar
↵Fineberg HV. The toll of covid-19. JAMA2020;(Oct). doi:10.1001/jama.2020.20019. pmid:32525535CrossRefPubMedGoogle Scholar
↵Woolf SH, Chapman DA, Sabo RT, Weinberger DM, Hill L. Excess deaths from covid-19 and other causes, March-April 2020. JAMA2020;324:510-3. doi:10.1001/jama.2020.11787. pmid:32609307
