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NerdyPotato · M
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SimplyTracie · 26-30, F
@NerdyPotato Politicians, maybe they send their children to private schools where better accommodations are provided.
NerdyPotato · M
@SimplyTracie yes, that would explain a lot.
SimplyTracie · 26-30, F
@NerdyPotato I think it’s possible. Hire extra staff to ensure policies are followed.
DestroyerOfIdeologies · 26-30, M
SimplyTracie · 26-30, F
@DestroyerOfIdeologies Might die too. 😢
Elessar · 26-30, M
@canusernamebemyusername The funny thing is that those who assert that, in general, are the functionally illiterate who until a few weeks ago asserted the virus was a political hoax.
Or better, funny if it wasn't serious.
Or better, funny if it wasn't serious.
@canusernamebemyusername ya know what? I wouldn't mind school just not being a thing for a year. My child is younger than a lot of his class mates. He is an advanced student but because we moved here from out of state he got put into regular classes instead on the advanced placement ones he was supposed to be in. Fuck school if he's going to be in the unruly general population with kids bigger and older than him (not to mention those teachers who don't want to be teaching) who don't want to be in school and harass those who do want to learn instead of with students like himself who actually want to learn.
He also has a high risk health condition so staying home is fine by me.
He also has a high risk health condition so staying home is fine by me.
Elessar · 26-30, M
It's a simple matter of fact, children have high viral loads in their upper airways and tend to be asymptomatic (so silent killers). Making them all interact (they expect children <10 to socially isolate and stay 1.5 metres away from one another? lol, if we're lucky they won't swap masks), then come back and potentially play in close contact with parents and grandparents is probably the dumbest thing we might do.
And not only there, in September the same will potentially happen also here. 😩
And not only there, in September the same will potentially happen also here. 😩
Elessar · 26-30, M
@SimplyTracie Here too, but the environment is the same, and especially without masks they can still infect one another.
Elessar · 26-30, M
@SimplyTracie Me neither. Look, if we want to follow actual science:
Our final cohort included 145 patients with mild to moderate illness within 1 week of symptom onset. We compared 3 groups: young children younger than 5 years (n = 46), older children aged 5 to 17 years (n = 51), and adults aged 18 to 65 years (n = 48). We found similar median (interquartile range) CT values for older children (11.1 [6.3-15.7]) and adults (11.0 [6.9-17.5]). However, young children had significantly lower median (interquartile range) CT values (6.5 [4.8-12.0]), indicating that young children have equivalent or more viral nucleic acid in their upper respiratory tract compared with older children and adults (Figure). The observed differences in median CT values between young children and adults approximate a 10-fold to 100-fold greater amount of SARS-CoV-2 in the upper respiratory tract of young children. We performed a sensitivity analysis and observed a similar statistical difference between groups when including those with unknown symptom duration. Additionally, we identified only a very weak correlation between symptom duration and CT in the overall cohort (Spearman ρ = 0.22) and in each subgroup (young children, Spearman ρ = 0.20; older children, Spearman ρ = 0.19; and adults, Spearman ρ = 0.10).
Our analyses suggest children younger than 5 years with mild to moderate COVID-19 have high amounts of SARS-CoV-2 viral RNA in their nasopharynx compared with older children and adults. Our study is limited to detection of viral nucleic acid, rather than infectious virus, although SARS-CoV-2 pediatric studies reported a correlation between higher nucleic acid levels and the ability to culture infectious virus.5 Thus, young children can potentially be important drivers of SARS-CoV-2 spread in the general population, as has been demonstrated with respiratory syncytial virus, where children with high viral loads are more likely to transmit.6 Behavioral habits of young children and close quarters in school and day care settings raise concern for SARS-CoV-2 amplification in this population as public health restrictions are eased. In addition to public health implications, this population will be important for targeting immunization efforts as SARS-CoV-2 vaccines become available.
[https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamapediatrics/fullarticle/2768952]
Our final cohort included 145 patients with mild to moderate illness within 1 week of symptom onset. We compared 3 groups: young children younger than 5 years (n = 46), older children aged 5 to 17 years (n = 51), and adults aged 18 to 65 years (n = 48). We found similar median (interquartile range) CT values for older children (11.1 [6.3-15.7]) and adults (11.0 [6.9-17.5]). However, young children had significantly lower median (interquartile range) CT values (6.5 [4.8-12.0]), indicating that young children have equivalent or more viral nucleic acid in their upper respiratory tract compared with older children and adults (Figure). The observed differences in median CT values between young children and adults approximate a 10-fold to 100-fold greater amount of SARS-CoV-2 in the upper respiratory tract of young children. We performed a sensitivity analysis and observed a similar statistical difference between groups when including those with unknown symptom duration. Additionally, we identified only a very weak correlation between symptom duration and CT in the overall cohort (Spearman ρ = 0.22) and in each subgroup (young children, Spearman ρ = 0.20; older children, Spearman ρ = 0.19; and adults, Spearman ρ = 0.10).
Our analyses suggest children younger than 5 years with mild to moderate COVID-19 have high amounts of SARS-CoV-2 viral RNA in their nasopharynx compared with older children and adults. Our study is limited to detection of viral nucleic acid, rather than infectious virus, although SARS-CoV-2 pediatric studies reported a correlation between higher nucleic acid levels and the ability to culture infectious virus.5 Thus, young children can potentially be important drivers of SARS-CoV-2 spread in the general population, as has been demonstrated with respiratory syncytial virus, where children with high viral loads are more likely to transmit.6 Behavioral habits of young children and close quarters in school and day care settings raise concern for SARS-CoV-2 amplification in this population as public health restrictions are eased. In addition to public health implications, this population will be important for targeting immunization efforts as SARS-CoV-2 vaccines become available.
Northwest · M
If the community transmission rate is high, then it will snowball. That's crystal clear when you do the math. The schools themselves can be prepared, but the factors driving escalating community spread will affect the schools as well. After all a school is part of the community.
Adstar · 56-60, M
How long do you keep kids from going to school? 6 months? 6 Years?
This covid isn't going anywhere.. All that all these current efforts are doing is just delaying things a bit.. Sooner or later people will have to go back to work, back to living their lives which includes kids going back to school..
As things are now we are going to end up with a smashed economy, illiterate kids and huge national debts AND Covid 19...
This covid isn't going anywhere.. All that all these current efforts are doing is just delaying things a bit.. Sooner or later people will have to go back to work, back to living their lives which includes kids going back to school..
As things are now we are going to end up with a smashed economy, illiterate kids and huge national debts AND Covid 19...
Adstar · 56-60, M
@Elessar Basic information that your statistics hide..
Brazil Covid deaths per 1,000,000 population = 453
USA Covid deaths per 1,000,000 population = 485
Italy Covid deaths per 1,000,000 population = 586
Oh and i will throw in the glorious socialit paradise of Sweden as a bonus::
Sweden Covid deaths per 1,000,000 population = 574
So out of the 4 nations above gold medal Brazil 🥇 is performing best followed by Silver medal USA 🥈 with No shut down Sweden 🥉 taking the bronze medal.. With your Italy 🤒 performing the worst of the 4 nations.. and that's why you focuses on shear numbers rather then actual deaths in proportion to population.. The USA and Brazil have very large populations and when that is taken into account then the end results come in way different then simply using case numbers..
Brazil Covid deaths per 1,000,000 population = 453
USA Covid deaths per 1,000,000 population = 485
Italy Covid deaths per 1,000,000 population = 586
Oh and i will throw in the glorious socialit paradise of Sweden as a bonus::
Sweden Covid deaths per 1,000,000 population = 574
So out of the 4 nations above gold medal Brazil 🥇 is performing best followed by Silver medal USA 🥈 with No shut down Sweden 🥉 taking the bronze medal.. With your Italy 🤒 performing the worst of the 4 nations.. and that's why you focuses on shear numbers rather then actual deaths in proportion to population.. The USA and Brazil have very large populations and when that is taken into account then the end results come in way different then simply using case numbers..
Elessar · 26-30, M
@Adstar Except that at this rate your 1st and 2nd winners are going to fall behind everyone else in not too long. Italy was hit first and more than 30/34k people died before May, unless we'll experience a second wave as potent as the first anytime soon, our ratio is gonna stay steady, yours is going to worsen. Also, look at life expectancy and average age of American, Brazilian, Swedish and Italians, then draw a comparison.
Young people die much more frequently from covid-19 in the U.S. than in Italy, last time I checked. Even if you divide by total pop.
I wouldn't call your present situation a "win".
Young people die much more frequently from covid-19 in the U.S. than in Italy, last time I checked. Even if you divide by total pop.
I wouldn't call your present situation a "win".
SimplyTracie · 26-30, F
@Adstar Anyone with half a brain would know I was being sarcastic. 🤭🤣
SimplyTracie · 26-30, F
@hartfire How did the schools address this problem?
marsbar · F
@SimplyTracie Hey 🤗
Pfuzylogic · M
Happened in Indianapolis already on day one!
Pfuzylogic · M
@SimplyTracie
Just found this on google.
https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2020/08/03/us/indiana-student-covid-positive-school/index.html
Just found this on google.
https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2020/08/03/us/indiana-student-covid-positive-school/index.html
SimplyTracie · 26-30, F
@Pfuzylogic I thought Trump fires Betsy DeVos. 😩
Pfuzylogic · M
@SimplyTracie
How could we be so lucky when she bought her position. I do think she took her own SAT though. 🤔
How could we be so lucky when she bought her position. I do think she took her own SAT though. 🤔
beckyromero · 36-40, F
SimplyTracie · 26-30, F
@beckyromero I shoulda done a poll question huh?
Graylight · 51-55, F
Agreed. We have evidence of just that from Israel and we've already got dozens of positive case in the first days of open schools.
JoeyFoxx · 56-60, M
Depends on how it’s done.
It’s not black and white.
It’s not black and white.
vetguy1991 · 51-55, M
It's possible
SimplyTracie · 26-30, F
@vetguy1991 I think it’s very possible.
MissTaken · 36-40, F
Utterly foolhardy particularly as we have seen the surge of infections and deaths caused by individual States opening up far to quickly. But hey Doctor Donald J Trump knows what’s best for the US 😂
PhilDeep · 51-55, M
Agree. Opening schools is just to score political points. Though same politicians then have egg all over their faces when the consequences become measurable.
PhilDeep · 51-55, M
@SimplyTracie They might not, but people who have their eyes open should see it, in my opinion :)
tenente · 100+, M
We need to solve pandemic education, fast. Knowledge and innovation are valuable commodities, separating strong countries from weak ones. China and India are kicking our American asses in both these currencies. Politicians hate this situation because successful pandemic education requires long haul solutions with no sexy headlines or quick wins - they can’t take credit and there are haters galore. Whatever the solution (virtual classrooms, “bubble schools”, video learning, etc) we need to force our politicians and policy makers purposefully commit to it and implement it ASAP. If America doesn’t get its shit together and educate our kids safely and efficiently - other countries are going to leap frog us and we’ll spend generations trying to catch up. There is an education arms race happening and the first country that solves the pandemic education riddle wins.