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Roadsterrider · 56-60, M
I am antivac, if the folks selling the vaccines have to lie about what is in them, I have to assume they aren't being honest about their performance either. Mercury, "there is no mercury in modern vaccines", but the vaccines have a preservative in them called Timerosol, this preservative is 50% mercury. I had all my vaccines as a child and my 3 children had all the regular vaccines, but for years children had reactions to the mercury and the drug companies and the CDC said they were absolutely safe. I guess it isn't a problem unless your child is the 1 in a 1000 that has a reaction. If there is a 1 in a 1000 chance or a 1 in a million chance that something will hurt my child, that should be my decision, not the governments.
SW-User
@Roadsterrider you clearly missed the first 5 minutes of chemistry class. Half of timerosol is mercury in the same way that 1/3 of water is oxygen. Good luck breathing water though.
@SW-User Sorry, are you saying that any amount of thimerosal/mercury is safe to be put directly into the blood?
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https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/1999/09/990909080318.htm
https://www.epa.gov/mercury/what-do-if-mercury-thermometer-breaks
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https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/1999/09/990909080318.htm
https://www.epa.gov/mercury/what-do-if-mercury-thermometer-breaks
SW-User
@sunlight no, I'm saying there is no mercury in vaccines. If you don't understand the difference between mercury and timerosol, and can't spell the latter one correctly, I don't think we'll be able to have a proper discussion.
@SW-User
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thiomersal
"Thiomersal (INN), or thimerosal (USAN, JAN), is an organomercury compound.
The multi-dose versions of the influenza vaccines Fluvirin and Fluzone can contain up to 25 micrograms of mercury per dose from thiomersal.
Cases have been reported of severe mercury poisoning by accidental exposure or attempted suicide, with some fatalities.
Following a review of mercury-containing food and drugs mandated in 1999, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) and the American Academy of Pediatrics asked vaccine manufacturers to remove thiomersal from vaccines as a purely precautionary measure, and it was rapidly phased out of most U.S. and European vaccines."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Organomercury
"Organomercury refers to the group of organometallic compounds that contain mercury."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_vaccine_ingredients
There are plenty of vaccines that still contain thimerosal/mercury.
I am here to understand, not to attack you.
If you know better please help us also understand.
Thank you
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thiomersal
"Thiomersal (INN), or thimerosal (USAN, JAN), is an organomercury compound.
The multi-dose versions of the influenza vaccines Fluvirin and Fluzone can contain up to 25 micrograms of mercury per dose from thiomersal.
Cases have been reported of severe mercury poisoning by accidental exposure or attempted suicide, with some fatalities.
Following a review of mercury-containing food and drugs mandated in 1999, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) and the American Academy of Pediatrics asked vaccine manufacturers to remove thiomersal from vaccines as a purely precautionary measure, and it was rapidly phased out of most U.S. and European vaccines."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Organomercury
"Organomercury refers to the group of organometallic compounds that contain mercury."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_vaccine_ingredients
There are plenty of vaccines that still contain thimerosal/mercury.
I am here to understand, not to attack you.
If you know better please help us also understand.
Thank you
SW-User
@sunlight like I said before, timerosol does not contain mercury in the way that it's a mixture. Its molecules have mercury atoms, but atoms lose their properties when bound within molecules. That's THE core principal of chemistry.
Here are some other quotes from the articles you shared:
In conclusion: science isn't on your side.
Here are some other quotes from the articles you shared:
Its use as a vaccine preservative was controversial, and it was phased out from routine childhood vaccines in the European Union, and a few other countries in response to popular fears.[5] There is a scientific consensus that these fears are unsubstantiated.[6][7][8][9]
In multidose injectable drug delivery systems, it prevents serious adverse effects such as the Staphylococcus infection that, in one 1928 incident, killed 12 of 21 children vaccinated with a diphtheria vaccine that lacked a preservative.[12]
the World Health Organization has concluded that there is no evidence of toxicity from thiomersal in vaccines
In conclusion: science isn't on your side.
Roadsterrider · 56-60, M
@SW-User I must apologize, I didn't realize I was being graded on spelling and opinions are invalid if a word is incorrect. Are you saying that because it is mixed with something, it is no longer considered mercury? Is this true of other toxic material, if I mixed chlorine or arsenic 50/50 with water does that make it non toxic? Maybe some old paint chips to go with it, that lead is mixed with other stuff so it can't be a problem.
SW-User
@Roadsterrider sigh... It's not mixed.
Read up on the difference between atoms and molecules yourself if you don't want to take my word for it.
Read up on the difference between atoms and molecules yourself if you don't want to take my word for it.
Roadsterrider · 56-60, M
@SW-User From the FDA website: Thimerosal is a mercury-containing organic compound (an organomercurial). Since the 1930s, it has been widely used as a preservative in a number of biological and drug products, including many vaccines, to help prevent potentially life threatening contamination with harmful microbes.
You can color the argument with definitions of microbes and atoms if you like but the unvarnished truth is that there is mercury in the vaccines.
Why did they lie about it in the first place? Mercury has a long history of causing problems, numerous studies have shown that it can affect the brain in devastating ways. Because it is part of a compound doesn't make a difference, the human body is very efficient at breaking down compounds and using what it needs and getting rid of the rest, except for a few that hang out in the body and cause problems. Technology from the 30s? Back then they thought electro-shock therapy and ice pick lobotomies were just the ticket for mental patients. I am glad at least some areas in medicine have changed with the times and technology.
You can color the argument with definitions of microbes and atoms if you like but the unvarnished truth is that there is mercury in the vaccines.
Why did they lie about it in the first place? Mercury has a long history of causing problems, numerous studies have shown that it can affect the brain in devastating ways. Because it is part of a compound doesn't make a difference, the human body is very efficient at breaking down compounds and using what it needs and getting rid of the rest, except for a few that hang out in the body and cause problems. Technology from the 30s? Back then they thought electro-shock therapy and ice pick lobotomies were just the ticket for mental patients. I am glad at least some areas in medicine have changed with the times and technology.
SW-User
@Roadsterrider The term "containing" may be defined freely, but there is no point in continuing this discussion until you know the difference between mixing substances and molecules including certain atoms. Please let me know when you familiarized yourself with the basics of chemistry and I'll be happy to continue this conversation. Until then there is no point for me to reply again.
Roadsterrider · 56-60, M
@SW-User I guess the US Public Health Service doesn't understand it either because they recommended removing it from vaccines back in the 90s to "reduce the exposure to infants to mercury as much as possible. From an article published by the NIH "mercury and mercuric compounds—including thimerosal, its metabolite ethylmercury, and methylmercury—are well-established nephro- and neurotoxicants." It doesn't matter if is a compound or not, the body still winds up being affected by it and processing it. There isn't any chemistry explanation that can make the fact that there is mercury in Thimerosal go away. All the organizations that oversee health, CDC, NIH, USPHS, all the above, were on board with removing it to prevent exposure to mercury to children. You are correct, we aren't going to agree. What would change my opinion is complete honesty in what they put into the stuff and that probably will never happen.
@SW-User You are focused on the wrong thing. Thimerosal, can go through the brain's blood barrier, so it can bring along with it also what's in the vaccine. A normal exposure to a virus/bacteria will never have access directly to our brains, they would have to go through our filters: skin, lungs, stomach.
SW-User
@sunlight how does it bring along other components?