Why are women objectified more than men ? Even by other women ?

On EP, a guy was "complaining” that women’s bodies are more fetishized than men’s, and he thought it was unfair. It kind of [b]is[/b], but not necessarily in the way he meant.

Women’s bodies are valued as things, first and foremost. Things to display, things to barter. Even other women buy into it. That’s probably why so many people think they have the right, even the imperative to legislate women’s reproductive choices.

Rant over.

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val70 · 51-55

The "why" question then. First thought of mine: necessity? I try not to do that myself, but I've seen recently a female on here describing Jacinda Ardern as a thing. That shocked me. I'm right wing, but heck, what's going on there then?

bijouxbroussard · F

@val70 But why should it be necessary ?

val70 · 51-55

@bijouxbroussard Because one wants to fit in?

bijouxbroussard · F

@val70 Fit in with what, though ? The concept of being a "thing" to be used rather than a person with a working brain ?

val70 · 51-55

@bijouxbroussard Basically, I would consider a woman calling Ardern a thing because she's not in agreement with the total contrast to her. The first would be a Vogue reader, very conservative, etc. and hates the covid restrictions and gun policy in New Zealand and such. Or even hates her leaving her job because of personal problems. Somehow the choice of always being tough oneself can make one think less of others that aren't

bijouxbroussard · F

@val70 Everything I’ve read about Ardern would make her a [b]heroine[/b] from my perspective. Unfortunately, some women truly believe they are "less than", and would resent what Ardern has been able to achieve.
It suggests that if [b]they[/b] don’t measure up, it’s not because they’re women.

val70 · 51-55

@bijouxbroussard Well, I wouldn't say that myself. Aren't you then actually doing the same thing? I'm sure that it's much better to actually understand the woman's position first. Is she working in an enviroment that would see a burn-out as weak and therefore not up to scratch?

bijouxbroussard · F

@val70 What do you mean ? I respect her. So how am I "doing the same thing" ? But I do know that some women believe, as some men do, that women are "less than". They include themselves and all other women in that assessment, and they sometimes resent women whose achievements give lie to that core belief.

val70 · 51-55

@bijouxbroussard I have difficulty with the statement that they somehow "don’t measure up". I say that broader society as such is to blame, us included even if we're not that extreme

bijouxbroussard · F

@val70 That’s the thing—because some aspects of society still believe women are "less than", those women who have bought into that idea don’t think [b]they[/b] measure up. Especially if they don’t look a certain way.

val70 · 51-55

@bijouxbroussard Sure, and that's just it. The necessity is still there

bijouxbroussard · F

@val70 But it isn’t. It’s societal construct, and if it suited everyone no part of it would’ve changed.

val70 · 51-55

@bijouxbroussard I do understand what you're saying but my point is that one can't just change it by switching over to something better and ready made. It should rather be by edging in better conditions and morals, and one of those is to try to understand each other better